Confederates advocating secession via the US Constitution

Andersonh1

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Maybe because the Southern secessionists weren't willing to wait, hence all those thefts and war-like actions BEFORE Lincoln even took the oath of office.

If your house is on fire, do you sit in the living room waiting for the Fire Department to confirm the fact the house IS on fire?

South Carolina had already waited 8 years longer than they intended. They were ready to go in 1852.

The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right. Since that time, these encroachments have continued to increase, and further forbearance ceases to be a virtue.​
 

wausaubob

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South Carolina had already waited 8 years longer than they intended. They were ready to go in 1852.

The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right. Since that time, these encroachments have continued to increase, and further forbearance ceases to be a virtue.​
That appears to be an assertion of a natural right, rather than a constitutional process. It also suggests the reason they had to employ the fastest method to start the rebellion. Time was on the side on the incoming administration, which was only getting stronger.
 

unionblue

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South Carolina had already waited 8 years longer than they intended. They were ready to go in 1852.

The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right. Since that time, these encroachments have continued to increase, and further forbearance ceases to be a virtue.​

Yep.

They waited 8 years to ensure they thought they had the POWER, the MIGHT, to secede from the Union.

It took the issue of slavery to make that move and to gain support from other slaveholding states. Only when they felt they had enough force to get away with it, and only when they thought the Union weak enough, did they make their try at rebellion.
 

CW Buff

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South Carolina had already waited 8 years longer than they intended. They were ready to go in 1852.

The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right. Since that time, these encroachments have continued to increase, and further forbearance ceases to be a virtue.
Here's one of those opinions:

"The people of Mississippi in Convention assembled, as expressive of their deliberate judgment on the great questions involved in the sectional controversy between the slave holding and non-slave holding States of the American Union, adopt the following resolutions:

. . .

4th. Resolved, further, That, in the opinion of this Convention, the asserted right of secession from the Union on the part of a State or States is utterly unsanctioned by the Federal Constitution, which was framed to "establish" and not to destroy the Union of the States, and that no secession, can, in fact, take place without a subversion of the Union established, and which will not virtually amount in its effects and consequences to a civil revolution.
" -- Convention of the State of Mississippi, November 17, 1851
 

wausaubob

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Here's one of those opinions:

"The people of Mississippi in Convention assembled, as expressive of their deliberate judgment on the great questions involved in the sectional controversy between the slave holding and non-slave holding States of the American Union, adopt the following resolutions:

. . .

4th. Resolved, further, That, in the opinion of this Convention, the asserted right of secession from the Union on the part of a State or States is utterly unsanctioned by the Federal Constitution, which was framed to "establish" and not to destroy the Union of the States, and that no secession, can, in fact, take place without a subversion of the Union established, and which will not virtually amount in its effects and consequences to a civil revolution.
" -- Convention of the State of Mississippi, November 17, 1851
When it came time to do the act, secession in Virginia and Tennessee was such a contested question, that the secessionists had to hurry. Virginia eventually split, and Tennessee gradually returned to US allegiance as the US navy and army advanced. The secessionists could not afford to wait even 6 months. In that six months the US fleet would be recalled. Norfolk and Harper's Ferry would be evacuated and the US and Britain would have a more sophisticated understanding.
There were many things advocated by secessionists that had support in the middle of the country, MO, IL, IN, OH, KY and TN, but secession but a blight on all those causes.
 
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