Hello need information on a loreze lock plate. It is marked with a British crown and the word London.
Welcome from eastern Ohio. Would it be possible for you to post pictures of the lock plate and any marking on the Lorenz as Package4 said?
Hello need information on a loreze lock plate. It is marked with a British crown and the word London.
Agree with Package4....sounds like an Enfield. Pictures are worth a thousand words, and Forum members thrive on pics (its like an addiction)....please post.Hello need information on a loreze lock plate. It is marked with a British crown and the word London.
Hello need information on a loreze lock plate. It is marked with a British crown and the word London.
Lorenz it is, has all the proper markings ,crown and London under Lorenz markings . as soon as I can I will Post pic . thanks from communist state of vaI doubt it is a Lorenz then, most likely an Enfield lockplate, please post pictures. The Confederacy did purchase Lorenz muskets through Isaac, Campbell & Co, but to my knowledge they were all in original Austrian condition and caliber.
And welcome from Maryland!
Things like this are the reason I enjoy the Austrian guns so much.
A photograph would be helpful to make sure, but think I have seen what you are describing. That is, a Muster 1854 System Lorenz lockplate which has been overstamped with a British style crown and the word "London." Please see my attached photo. In my example the Austrian Kaiser's double headed eagle and the manufacturing date of the lock - "859" - are still there under the overstamped markings. I'm planning on using it as an example in my book of fraudulent sales practices, much like the System Augustin and System Lorenz guns which were reworked in Liege for the African trade and are now being sold as "Civil War" guns. If someone sold it to you as part of a "British" made System Lorenz weapon, or "Civil War" gun [in that configuration], it was fraud. It also devalues a perfectly valid historical object.
This can be one of the side effects of the stamps made for all the "defarbing" cr*p.
Regards,
Don Dixon
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When the Lorenz was bored out to 58 ,what kind of rifling did they use. 3 or 4 lands and groove?
OK how do I know if was bored out in the USA, or in Europe.When the Lorenz was bored out to 58 ,what kind of rifling did they use. 3 or 4 lands and groove?
OK how do I know if was bored out in the USA, or in Europe.
Thanks for the information. Can you instruct me on how to post pictures?. And were did that lock come from?Mine looks like that one later date. I will take pic as soon as I can thanks
Beautiful weapon. If only!!!!
Thanks for the information. Can you instruct me on how to post pictures?. And were did that lock come from?
That's why it looks like mine , lol I bought it from lodgewood. My Lorenz came complete, but no guts for the lock. They told me the same thing ,I still have the other lock plate. And hammer.I saw the lock at Lodgewood at the N-SSA fall national matches amongst their parts for sale. They had no information regarding its origin, and didn't represent it to be anything but an overstamped lock.
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Regards,
Don Dixon