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Vic504

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New to the page thanks for accepting me!! New to collecting always loved history.
I have recently bought a lot of civil war plates or buckles not sure any information would be awesome!!
I'm not sure if they're real or fakes.

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I would say they are all identifiable, but I am no expert in the field. I come along due to the overwhelming knowledge some few of our members here exhibit on identifications. They can be pretty near exact, and each time I get astounded by their precision judgements.
This thread won't slip by the attention for too long. Welcome to the forum.
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ucvrelics

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Welcome From THE Heart Of Dixie. First its very hard to determine authenticity based on photos. IMHO these plates look as they all have applied patina. The plate with the star is defiantly NOT a dug Miss plate. The NY does not have the bench marks on the back as it should have. (see below) If you could post some better photos it would be helpful.
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Vic504

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Welcome From THE Heart Of Dixie. First its very hard to determine authenticity based on photos. IMHO these plates look as they all have applied patina. The plate with the star is defiantly NOT a dug Miss plate. The NY does not have the bench marks on the back as it should have. (see below) If you could post some better photos it would be helpful.
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The NY doesn't have any bench Mark's visible. Would that mean it's a fake or just productio
Of it may have been made at a different time or place? Ad far as the Mississippi plate does it look like a fake. I understand it needs to be looked at in person for you to determine if it's real or not.
 

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Thanks for the warm welcome I also am constantly looking for Civil War relics for myself and to take them out a hands of people that do not appreciate the significance of it. I'm from New Orleans so I have recently seen the Civil War statues being taken down I'm glad I found a group of people that show the same appreciation for history as I do
 

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The NY doesn't have any bench Mark's visible. Would that mean it's a fake or just productio
Of it may have been made at a different time or place? Ad far as the Mississippi plate does it look like a fake. I understand it needs to be looked at in person for you to determine if it's real or not.
I have never seen a NY CW plate that didn't have the bench marks. The Star plate IMHO is a fake. I would need to see better photos of the CSA and measurements in MM as it is just to clean of a plate to have been dug there is NO wear on the hooks or the face.
 

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Welcome from Maryland! Unfortunately I am in agreement with @ucvrelics, for a few reasons:

1. The star buckle should be stamped brass, but appears to be cast, beyond that it is doubtful such a dainty plate would have lasted until Gettysburg. Plates such as this are found in early war sites, due to their fragile nature.

2. NY buckle, @ucvrelics has a good point about the bench marks, but due to the private purchase of officer's buckles, they came from many sources and not all have the stamped or cut bench marks. Because #1 is most likely fake it taints the others unless we can get provenance and who these were purchased from. The buckle strongly appears to be a Gary Williams product, with exception of the bend of the hook.

3. CSA piece, the sloppiness of the casting is a little too much even for a CSA piece and the hooks look too good, but would need to see measurements and provenance.

Where did you pick these up and approximately what did you pay for them will give us a very good idea, were these all in the same collection? I remember in my early days of collecting I was told by a respected member of the collecting/dealer community, "when in doubt about a buckle, don't pay more than a happy meal"
 

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Welcome from Maryland! Unfortunately I am in agreement with @ucvrelics, for a few reasons:

1. The star buckle should be stamped brass, but appears to be cast, beyond that it is doubtful such a dainty plate would have lasted until Gettysburg. Plates such as this are found in early war sites, due to their fragile nature.

2. NY buckle, @ucvrelics has a good point about the bench marks, but due to the private purchase of officer's buckles, they came from many sources and not all have the stamped or cut bench marks. Because #1 is most likely fake it taints the others unless we can get provenance and who these were purchased from. The buckle strongly appears to be a Gary Williams product, with exception of the bend of the hook.

3. CSA piece, the sloppiness of the casting is a little too much even for a CSA piece and the hooks look too good, but would need to see measurements and provenance.

Where did you pick these up and approximately what did you pay for them will give us a very good idea, were these all in the same collection? I remember in my early days of collecting I was told by a respected member of the collecting/dealer community, "when in doubt about a buckle, don't pay more than a happy meal"
I purchased these from someone that got them from a deceased relative collection. I took the NY buckle yo a local civil war museum today they said it was authentic and most likely a officer. The CSA buckle they couldn't determine but said it's a sand cast and explains why it looks sloppy. The man that could authentic it wasnt in today that's more familiar with them. The Mississippi I didnt bring them I'm also assuming it's a fake as well this is what I could think was a match. I paid $200 a piece In Hope's one would be real lol

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If you look at the star on the one in Kerksis book there not even close and the back has a roller type setup and your doesn't from what I see in the photo. Also, as @Package4 and I stated on the CSA way to clean and no wear but then we are looking at photos. One thing you can do is lick them, if they taste acidic they have applied patina's if they taste like dirt then they are dug. Here is one I dug and you can see the wear and it taste like dirt. Also, the price way to low for originals, just sayin.
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I agree the Mississippi is a reproduction. The csa I dont believe was dug would say 100% it's a fake? I know I paid cheap I always come across deals some people think its junk. i bought a couple hundred bullets from him also it had over 25 whitworth bullets and plenty other nice bullets I sold all the whitworth bullets but two I paid 150 for all the bullets
 

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I'm by no mean an expert and I take what you guys say over my little experience I'm only 26 years old some of you guys been collection that long lol I'm still learning and I'm sure I will get some fakes on my collecting journey. Glad I found a group that could help prevent it in some cases!!
 
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