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Black Votes: Frederick Douglass Meets With Andrew Johnson 2/7/1866 Reconstruction150

Discussion in 'Post Civil War History, The Reconstruction Period' started by Pat Young, Jan 26, 2016.

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    Johnson responded that giving the black man the vote would ignite a race war:

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    Johnson argued that non-slaveholding whites in the South had come to hate blacks because, as slaves. they had given planters a monopoly on power in the South. He said that blacks had contempt for poor whites, a charge Douglass denied. Then Johnson said that blacks status had improved greatly through Emancipation while Southern whites had seen their situation decline:
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    Johnson said that only the white legislatures of the Southern states could properly grant blacks the vote.

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    At the conclusion of the meeting Douglass made his famous reply to Johnson:

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    Douglass would later say that Johnson seemed to be giving a speech to the black men and did not want to listen to their ideas.
     
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    Andrew Johnson is definitely in the running as the worst president of the United States.

    By the way, no modern politics, please. Posted as moderator
     
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    He had a point though. Consider that there were still several Northern states that disenfranchised blacks at the time. Forcing black enfranchisement on the South would certainly alienate white Southerners. But depriving blacks of the vote would leave them defenseless.

    Reconstruction was a no-win situation. It was a balancing act between two evils. Johnson as it turned out had poor balance, but I doubt anyone could have walked that tightrope without taking some severe spills, even Lincoln.
     
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    Maybe so. Looks to me like the Republicans had a lot to do with what you suggest.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/1600/presidents/andrewjohnson
     
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    The President needed help to get that done.
     
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    Did I insert modern politics? Sorry if I did.
     
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    I believe that mm was moderating himself! He made the modern politics infraction by rating Johnson amongst modern presidents (which I agree with).
     
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    Now I understand.
     
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    Self ordained professors moderating politics of ancient history?
     
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    Sorry Pat, didn't mean to imply that. I meant if anyone else(after my post) started a "worst presidents" digression into the current campaign.
     
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    Johnson was a jerk.

    (Clearly, a 19th century jerk.) :smile:

    Sincerely,
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    Pat,

    Good topic and good thread, Pat.

    Glad you started it and gave such excellent posts.

    Sincerely,
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    Thank you sir.
     
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    Thanks. My insecurity was showing.
     

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