Brass Napoleon Award Black Southerners and the Confederate Cause--What the newspapers said: 1861-1865

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John F. Harris and his speech in the Mississippi legislature in favor of a Confederate monument has been mentioned a few times in this thread, but the speech in its entirety has not been posted. They say these monuments represent slavery and Jim Crow, but here is a man who was an actual slave and lived under Jim Crow after the war. I am supposing it did not mean those things to him.

Clarion-Ledger (Jackson, Mississippi), February 23, 1890-


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John F. Harris and his speech in the Mississippi legislature in favor of a Confederate monument has been mentioned a few times in this thread, but the speech in its entirety has not been posted. They say these monuments represent slavery and Jim Crow, but here is a man who was an actual slave and lived under Jim Crow after the war. I am supposing it did not mean those things to him.

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Sounds like he was playing the "Faithful Servant" card very well to curry local favor.

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Like so many of these stories, we cannot know motives other than what the man himself says, so I'd need more evidence to accept your conclusion. He wasn't the only black man to speak in favor of Confederate monuments. Booker T Washington did as well, so this is not a unique instance.
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Like so many of these stories, we cannot know motives other than what the man himself says, so I'd need more evidence to accept your conclusion. He wasn't the only black man to speak in favor of Confederate monuments. Booker T Washington did as well, so this is not a unique instance.
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Like so many of these stories, we cannot know motives other than what the man himself says, so I'd need more evidence to accept your conclusion. He wasn't the only black man to speak in favor of Confederate monuments. Booker T Washington did as well, so this is not a unique instance.
Wondering if these same folk got "pensions" from the State latter on for their pro-confederate stances?

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Like so many of these stories, we cannot know motives other than what the man himself says, so I'd need more evidence to accept your conclusion. He wasn't the only black man to speak in favor of Confederate monuments. Booker T Washington did as well, so this is not a unique instance.
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Sounds like he was playing the "Faithful Servant" card very well to curry local favor.

Kevin Dally
Wondering if these same folk got "pensions" from the State latter on for their pro-confederate stances?

Kevin Dally
Something wrong with their own words..? Appears as a weak attempt to discredit the man, without evidence. I found Mr. Harris' speech very powerful. A great contribution to this Award Winning Thread. Big thumbs up to @19thGeorgia :thumbsup:
 

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Your opinion.

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Which part..?

Mr Harris' own words..? Nope. They're right there for you to read.

That you didn't provide evidence to discredit him..? Nope. Sure didn't. In fact, 147 pages, I haven't seen a single contribution to the thread from you. Just poo pooing others' contributions.

That this is an Award Winning Thread..? Nope. Says so right at the top.

That 19th's post about Mr Harris was a great contribution ..? OK. yes. It IS my opinion, 19th made a great contribution. I'm sure I'm not alone in that assessment.

I think everyone who has contributed newspaper articles to this thread has made great contributions. There's many folks who've done so. Tremendous contributions have been made by Anderson, East Tennessee, & 19th Georgia. Personally, I applaud their efforts. Anymore, whenever I find an article, & search the thread, it's already been posted. Finding new ones that aren't repeats is getting tough.
 
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Which part..?

Mr Harris' own words..? Nope. They're right there for you to read.

That you didn't provide evidence to discredit him..? Nope. Sure didn't. In fact, 147 pages, I haven't seen a single contribution to the thread from you. Just poo pooing others' contributions.

That this is an Award Winning Thread..? Nope. Says so right at the top.

That 19th's post about Mr Harris was a great contribution ..? OK. yes. It IS my opinion, 19th made a great contribution. I'm sure I'm not alone in that assessment.

I think everyone who has contributed newspaper articles to this thread has made great contributions. There's many folks who've done so. Tremendous contributions have been made by Anderson, East Tennessee, & 19th Georgia. Personally, I applaud their efforts. Anymore, whenever I find an article, & search the thread, it's already been posted. Finding new ones that aren't repeats is getting tough.
You applaud their efforts, I'm not stopping you.

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Wondering if these same folk got "pensions" from the State latter on for their pro-confederate stances?

Kevin Dally
The name John Harris is not found among the Mississippi Servant Pensioners
I believe poverty ("indigent"/no means of support) was one of the requirements to get a pension. Harris was a lawyer and most likely not in that condition.
 
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A black servant of a Confederate officer, "fighting by his master's side" and killing black Union troops at Fort Pillow? Apparently so, and the writer of this 1867 article is amused that his man is elevated above the other former Confederates under the "Brownlow Constitution" when he was just like them during the war. He was "the bitterest rebel of all."

The Elk advocate. (Ridgway, Elk Co., Pa.) February 28, 1867
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A black servant of a Confederate officer, "fighting by his master's side" and killing black Union troops at Fort Pillow? Apparently so, and the writer of this 1867 article is amused that his man is elevated above the other former Confederates under the "Brownlow Constitution" when he was just like them during the war. He was "the bitterest rebel of all."

The Elk advocate. (Ridgway, Elk Co., Pa.) February 28, 1867
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It should be noted that papers that mention negroes fighting for the South are either northern papers or very late war (1865) Southern papers. It is rare to read a Southern account early in the war as it would challenge the notion that southern manhood could defend hearth and hone without the help of its negroes.
 
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It should be noted that papers that mention negroes fighting for the South are either northern papers or very late war (1865) Southern papers. It is rare to read a Southern account early in the war as it would challenge the notion that southern manhood could defend hearth and hone without the help of its negroes.
I figured out early on that focusing strictly on combat did not give the full picture of black Southern involvement in the war, and also that the type of stories and the emphasis changes over the four years of the war. The amount of Southern newspapers also dwindles as areas are overrun by the Union army or paper and ink aren't available, etc., so that factors into the number of Southern reports you could expect to find later on. I'm not sure your statement is entirely accurate, but it is clear that editorials discussing armed black Southerners were a lot more numerous than the stories and rumors that inspired them.

Having said all that, I should take time to go through strictly combat related articles and note whether they originate from a northern or southern paper. I just did a count of all the wartime articles I have and the current total is 1,484. Not all are combat related of course, and that number doesn't include post-war articles.
 



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