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Black Confederate Count

Discussion in 'Civil War History - General Discussion' started by jgoodguy, Feb 2, 2018.

  1. jgoodguy

    jgoodguy Brev. Brig. Gen'l Forum Host Retired Moderator

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    The rules are simple.
    Folks post according to rules below.
    I put on a spreadsheet. I get to decide what to put on there.
    Complaints are ignored or moved to a side discussion thread.
    If you do not want to participate, less work for me.

    Requirements.

    Text Requirments. You type I read and enter. Do not expect me to deciper a picture or read a webpage for the information.​
    • 1 person per post.
    • Name
    • Rank
    • Description Negro, Black, Mullato, Colored
    • Unit Name
    • Type of evidence Roster, Muster roll, CSR, Parole paper, pension.
    • Combatants and non-Combatants.
    Evidence​
    • Picture or link to information.
     
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  3. east tennessee roots

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    Jack Thomas, 1st & 5th east Tennessee Cavalry. KIA in March, 1862.

    https://civilwartalk.com/threads/bl...rs-said-1861-1865.129911/page-48#post-1483573

    This man is listed in the census as "Black". In the future do those listed as "mulatto" count ?
     
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    Please include rank and the type of evidence in the future.

    Yes. This part of my let's look at the data and what is there mindset.
     
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  5. east tennessee roots

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    Walter.jpg

    Walter C. Whittle : A 46 year-old Barber And Musician. 5' 11", dark complexion, hazel eyes, dark hair. Enlisted and mustered on 4/23/1861, as a Private, into "B" Co. VA 4th Cavalry. He was discharged for overage on 7/23/1862.

    Household is headed by a 70 year-old Rebecca Jackson. (Perhaps Walter's mother-in-law) ? Also Rebecca Whittle age 19, and 1 year-old Arabella Whittle. I failed to locate him in 1860.

    Name Walter Whittle
    Event Type Census
    Event Year 1850
    Event Place Richmond, Henrico, Virginia, United States
    Gender Male
    Age 22 (estimated)
    Occupation Barber
    Race Mulatto
    Race (Original) M
    Birth Year (Estimated) 1828
    Birthplace Virginia
    House Number 1304

    His discharge from the Confederate Army :

    discharge.jpg
     
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    Pvt. Hawkins Wesley Carter of the 46th NC Troops served for the entire war in various capacities. According to Carter’s 1927 Confederate pension application, he “threw up breast works, worked on the railroad, cooked, waited on white soldiers, and fought seven days at the 1864 Wilderness Campaign in Virginia. No service file.

    Hawkins Carter
    United States Census, 1860
    Name Hawkins Carter
    Event Type Census
    Event Date 1860
    Event Place Warren, North Carolina, United States
    Gender Male
    Age 54
    Race Mulatto
    Race (Original) Mulatto
    Birth Year (Estimated) 1806
    Birthplace Warren Co North Carolina
    Page 70

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    So am I to assume that Hawkins Carter never enlisted? Carter should be honored as a civilian who served with the 46th NC Troops, but are we suppose to believe he was a soldier?
     
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    Please note
    This thread is for strictly enumerating.
    The Myth of Black Confederates is for other comments.
    Thank you for your cooperation.
     
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    Hammonds or Hammond was white. Part of the link I provided has a letter to an uncle where he mentions that Jack (or Jackson) Thomas was "a colored man".
     
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    Thanks for posting this and other documents.
    Mr. Carter certainly deserved recognition for his service. But his application says "we fought 7 days", referring it appears to his unit and after name of his unit the handwritten words "as servant" are used. Is there any other evidence available to show that he personally fought?
     
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    Charles Lutz fought at 1st Bull Run, Gaines Mill, and Fredericksburg . He was captured and paroled during the Chancellorsville campaign. He returned in time to fight at 2nd Winchester. He received a serious arm wound and was again captured at Gettysburg. Paroled and sent home to recover, he lost his other arm to amputation . Received a pension in 1900.

    Charles F C Lutz
    United States Census, 1860
    Name Charles F C Lutz
    Event Type Census
    Event Date 1860
    Event Place St Landry, Opelousas, Louisiana, United States
    Gender Male
    Age 20
    Race Mulatto
    Race (Original) Mulatto
    Birth Year (Estimated) 1840
    Birthplace St Landry
    Page 123


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    Page one of his pension application :

    charles lutz pension.jpg
     
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    Miles Read
    United States Census, 1860
    Name: Miles Read
    Event Type: Census
    Event Date: 1860
    Event Place: Edgecomb, North Carolina, United States
    Gender: Male
    Age: 40
    Race: Black
    Race (Original): Black
    Birth Year (Estimated): 1820
    Birthplace: North Carolina
    Page: 170

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    Arthur Read
    United States Census, 1860
    Name Arthur Read
    Event Type Census
    Event Date 1860
    Event Place Edgecomb, North Carolina, United States
    Gender Male
    Age 16
    Race Black
    Race (Original) Black
    Birth Year (Estimated) 1844
    Page 170

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    east tennessee roots,

    Thanks for providing such detailed evidence to this thread.

    It is much appreciated.

    Sincerely,
    Unionblue
     
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    So Arthur Reed was enlisted only as a cook not a soldier as per the enlistment card?
    Leftyhunter
     
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    Which will be listed on my entry for Arther Reed. Get data first and argue later.
     
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    Mulatto

    Private Hilery Braddy, Company A, 4th Battalion Georgia Sharpshooters

    Appears in the 1850 Warren County, Georgia Census living with his father Cullen Braddy. All people in the household are white except for Hilery and his younger sister Artilla who are lised as Mulatto. Family states that Hilery was the son of Cullen Braddy and an unknown black woman. I don't have fold 3 so I can't post his service record but someone else can look up his service record if interested, he certainly was a soldier. He was admitted to a hispital in Westpoint Mississippi in January 1865 suffering from a contusion...probably a wound suffered at the Battle of Nashville. In 1860, 1870 and 1880, HIlery is living in Glascock County Georgia...all those censues but one list him as Mulatto. Again don't have fold three but all information I provided can be looked up easily.
     
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    Text Requirments. You type I read and enter. Do not expect me to decipher a picture or read a webpage for the information.
    • 1 person per post.
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    • Description Negro, Black, Mullato, Colored
    • Unit Name
    • Type of evidence Roster, Muster roll, CSR, Parole paper, pension.
    • Combatants and non-Combatants.
    Evidence
    • Picture or link to information.
    Thanks for the help.
     
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