August 18th, 1864, Grant refuses the second Confederate request to exchange POW’s.

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The request was dead before it was issued. Until the CSA decided to treat all captured soldiers equally there could be no negotiation. They knew that.
 

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The request was dead before it was issued. Until the CSA decided to treat all captured soldiers equally there could be no negotiation. They knew that.

The saliant point is so does CSA Today yet he continues to broadcast Lost Cause fiction intended to villify Grant, Lincoln and the US soldier in general.

He knows full well had Davis simply been willing to treat captured USCT men as men instead of property the exchange would have reopened. He's also very adept at forgetting about the CS abuses & outright disregard for the parole system which is another reason the exchange cartel was shut down.
 
Yeah Grant was very mean, no doubt about that. Refusing to even exchange prisoners, that's low.

Grant was reaffirming Secretary of War Stanton's standing order against prisoner exchanges. The Federal exchanges of Confederate officers were halted as of December 28, 1862 at the suggestion of Lt. Colonel William H. Ludlow, the U.S. agent in charge of exchanges, made directly to Secretary of War Stanton. Stanton's order expanded to enlisted men beginning in July 1863 and remained in place until the last days of the War.
 

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Also at this stage of the war returned POW's represented the only means to reinforce the Confederate armies. Realizing this probably made Grant's decision easier. War is full of tough decisions this was one of them.
 

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The saliant point is so does CSA Today yet he continues to broadcast Lost Cause fiction intended to villify Grant, Lincoln and the US soldier in general.

He knows full well had Davis simply been willing to treat captured USCT men as men instead of property the exchange would have reopened. He's also very adept at forgetting about the CS abuses & outright disregard for the parole system which is another reason the exchange cartel was shut down.

Why is it that Johan_Steel's posts so often have to include baseless accusations about other people that have no ground in reality? Making a statement that CSA Today's post is "Lost Cause fiction" when all he did was post a picture and a title that can not be disputed as anything other than fact. Talk about making broad, unfounded generalizations.
 

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The saliant point is so does CSA Today yet he continues to broadcast Lost Cause fiction intended to villify Grant, Lincoln and the US soldier in general.

He knows full well had Davis simply been willing to treat captured USCT men as men instead of property the exchange would have reopened. He's also very adept at forgetting about the CS abuses & outright disregard for the parole system which is another reason the exchange cartel was shut down.

The rule of a good advocate is:
If you got facts, showcase the facts.
If you have good argument, showcase the argument.
If you have neither, you showcase Grant, the secret slaveholder minion of the Lincoln regime, that let tens of thousands of Yankee soldiers die in Southern prisons despite the best efforts of the kindly Jefferson Davis.
 

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Why is it that Johan_Steel's posts so often have to include baseless accusations about other people that have no ground in reality? Making a statement that CSA Today's post is "Lost Cause fiction" when all he did was post a picture and a title that can not be disputed as anything other than fact. Talk about making broad, unfounded generalizations.

He knows he can get away with it.
 

jgoodguy

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Why is it that Johan_Steel's posts so often have to include baseless accusations about other people that have no ground in reality? Making a statement that CSA Today's post is "Lost Cause fiction" when all he did was post a picture and a title that can not be disputed as anything other than fact. Talk about making broad, unfounded generalizations.


CSA Today' is a fine advocate of a Southern view, though I find his rhetoric could be much improved and the Northern advocates sometimes like to encourage him to expound on it.
 

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The rule of a good advocate is:
If you got facts, showcase the facts.
If you have good argument, showcase the argument.
If you have neither, you showcase Grant, the secret slaveholder minion of the Lincoln regime, that let tens of thousands of Yankee soldiers die in Southern prisons despite the best efforts of the kindly Jefferson Davis.

Or if you are getting an inferior soldier in exchange for a superior one in a POW exchange you create lame excuses to nearly stop a man for man exchange so detrimental to your side.
 
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