I am unable to respond to your "written references" since you did not quote or reference them. You also did not give us the time period you are asking about nor did you tell us what supplies you are asking about. This forces me to guess at your intentions.Are the written references to the Atlanta depot supplying lee instead of the army at Dalton correct. If so who is responsible for this error. Lee had Wilmington, where was the force at Dalton supposed to get supplies if not Atlanta.
If referring to Connelly’s seminal work isn’t a reference, then nothing is. I wasn’t aware you were looking for an unpaid research assistant.I am unable to respond to your "written references" since you did not quote or reference them. You also did not give us the time period you are asking about nor did you tell us what supplies you are asking about. This forces me to guess at your intentions.
All supply for Lee from northern Georgia had to go through Atlanta as long as the Knoxville connection remained in Confederate hands (ie until September 1863). Supplies from southern and eastern Georgia went to Lee by way of central South Carolina. A look at a map quickly shows that the Knoxville route was much more direct. The Knoxville route is about 50 miles longer, but it not competing with traffic from any other major source, while the SC route is receiving supplies for Richmond from southeastern GA, Charleston, Columbia, Charlotte, Raleigh, Wilmington and Petersburg. The western route was on a single gauge of track, while the eastern one required one gauge change. The western one used 6 RR companies, though only 5 organizations were actually involved. The eastern route involved 7 companies. So, as long as there was no enemy or weather problem, the western route made more sense than the eastern one.
What "depot" are you referring to? Atlanta supplied horses, artillery, ammunition and clothing to the AoT, not to Lee. Corn was primarily supplied to Lee from SE GA through SC. If you are referring to commissary supplies, the freight numbers do not support the idea that Atlanta supported Lee to the exclusion of the AoT.
Look at the below tables and note the amount of food going WEST from central VA compared with how much was going EAST from Bristol. The numbers do not exactly answer our questions, but they make it clear that plenty of food went both ways on the Virginia & Tennessee RR, the only RR to give us such complete numbers.
As far as Atlanta supplying Longstreet after Knoxville, that is false and was the subject of much unpleasant message traffic.
The Confederate supply system was staffed by smart, patriotic men. They made the best decisions they could, bearing in mind the terrible shortage of everything the army needed (including transportation).
In the first place, I was not replying to you. In the second place, if you don't have the facts, attack the messenger. I provided facts to support my statements -- you? In the third place, even "seminal works" must agree with the facts.If referring to Connelly’s seminal work isn’t a reference, then nothing is. I want aware you were looking for an unpaid research assistant.
You might want to look up what seminal means.In the first place, I was not replying to you. In the second place, if you don't have the facts, attack the messenger. I provided facts to support my statements -- you? In the third place, even "seminal works" must agree with the facts.
Do you have anything to contribute to the conversation or are you just going to lob spit balls?You might want to look up what seminal means.
Rhea, I'm sure your a knowledgeable guy, but every time I go on a thread - you are - at least in your mind - the authority on anything and everything. Then you get upset when someone doesn't agree with your thoughts. Please keep in mind that books that were written 50 years ago still have value, but a lot more information has come to light since then. Most every book I see you mention is thirty to fifty years or older. Again, they have some value, but more recent books have shed much greater light on subjects since then. I'm beginning to think you haven't bought a new book in at least twenty-five years! Additionally - no one is asking for a research assistant, and if I was, I wouldn't ask you. What people want is citations from books to support their theories, or the theories of the person they are quoting. Just try not to be so snarky please. By the way, I agree with DaveBrt.If referring to Connelly’s seminal work isn’t a reference, then nothing is. I want aware you were looking for an unpaid research assistant.
Facts, in this case, were the stablished 150 years ago. I started studying the Civil War over 30 years ago. I had the privilege of personal interviews with authors duch as Andrew Lytle, whose writing on Forrest was, in part, based on interviews with veterans of Forrest’s cavalry. When I cite my conversations with Ed Bearss about Forrest’s campaigns, I am referencing hours of one on one contact & group tours. I haven’t just read some Wiki post.Rhea, I'm sure your a knowledgeable guy, but every time I go on a thread - you are - at least in your mind - the authority on anything and everything. Then you get upset when someone doesn't agree with your thoughts. Please keep in mind that books that were written 50 years ago still have value, but a lot more information has come to light since then. Most every book I see you mention is thirty to fifty years or older. Again, they have some value, but more recent books have shed much greater light on subjects since then. I'm beginning to think you haven't bought a new book in at least twenty-five years! Additionally - no one is asking for a research assistant, and if I was, I wouldn't ask you. What people want is citations from books to support their theories, or the theories of the person they are quoting. Just try not to be so snarky please. By the way, I agree with DaveBrt.
I understand what you are saying. However, recollections of conversations aren't evidence of anything other than another person's recollection of their own theory.Facts, in this case, were the stablished 150 years ago. I started studying the Civil War over 30 years ago. I had the privilege of personal interviews with authors duch as Andrew Lytle, whose writing on Forrest was, in part, based on interviews with veterans of Forrest’s cavalry. When I cite my conversations with Ed Bearss about Forrest’s campaigns, I am referencing hours of one on one contact & group tours. I haven’t just read some Wiki post.
These days, I have been reading the raw telegraphic traffic in the Eckert Collection at the Huntington Library. I wrote a review of the Dana ledger that contains all of his reports from Chattanooga. I have repeatedly referred to & recommended that resource on this forum ever since. You want to guess how many individuals have responded with comments based upon n that reference? Zero.
There are over a billion citations online about the counter factual Lost Cause narrative. Recently, I wasted my time citing one of them after a request for a citation. The excellent entry in the Encyclopedia of Alabama was dismissed, obviously unread, because it came from Alabama. I should have known better, theorists aren’t really interested in the facts. They are too nuanced & difficult to digest.
I have absolutely no interest in theories, tropes, what abouts & imaginary rewrites of history. I post the things I do because I care about what happened, why it happened & who was involved. When I want to read about imaginary events, I have a stack of books that I read to my grand & great grand daughters. None of them are about the Civil War.
If my posts appear to be authoritative, I thank you for noticing. I have often spent considerable time refreshing my memory & researching the topic before I write. I often include references where I deem appropriate. I am not quite sure why I bother, even when I do there is never a response saying ,”I read that book & now I understand why you posted that response.” If that actually happened every once in a while I would take the show me your references thing seriously.
I guess you're not seeing what I'm throwing out there.Do you really think that I don’t know the difference between anecdotes & documentation?
I have a sampler in my studio wall that reads, “Perfection is the enemy of accomplishment.” Just as true today as it was in 1859.There is way too much, "Take my word for it..." in every recommendation proclaiming perfection. That is neither anecdote nor documentation. It is the human ear.
Lubliner.
Was it Einstein that wrote 1 per cent inspiration, 99 per cent perspiration? Not everyone sweats, you know! When the inspiration is gone...time out...[I can leave it blank]…time in.I have a sampler in my studio wall that reads, “Perfection is the enemy of accomplishment.” Just as true today as it was in 1859.
“Owning a phone book is a lot like knowing all the phone numbers.” Is my favorite Einsteinium.Was it Einstein that wrote 1 per cent inspiration, 99 per cent perspiration? Not everyone sweats, you know! When the inspiration is gone...time out...[I can leave it blank]…time in.
Lubliner.
"I'm sure it is here someplace!" is the next favorite.“Owning a phone book is a lot like knowing all the phone numbers.” Is my favorite Einsteinium.
That was EdisonWas it Einstein that wrote 1 per cent inspiration, 99 per cent perspiration? Not everyone sweats, you know! When the inspiration is gone...time out...[I can leave it blank]…time in.
Lubliner.