Restricted Americans Need to Know the Hard Truth About Union Monuments in the West

Andersonh1

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They're after UNION monuments now. Some of them anyway... how long before they find reasons to target the rest?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...9SdwPx-N2zTTuo9ddFirNrHmHZHbOGMpqeXHhb0EqMtrQ
Today, these sites look strikingly different. The Union soldier in Denver is gone, pulled down by protesters demonstrating against police brutality and racial inequality. Carson had a less violent end, carted off by the city in anticipation of another protest. Santa Fe’s two obelisks are now covered in plywood to cover up tags labeling them as racist memorials of genocide and the theft of Indigenous lands.​
Those responsible for pulling down and tagging these monuments have not been identified, so we cannot know their motives, but some Americans might see these removals as part of a “slippery slope” that monument advocates warn against. After all, as Colorado’s governor, Jared Polis, put it, these statues are of “Union heroes of the Civil War who fought and lost their lives to end slavery.” But while many Union soldiers did fight for emancipation in the East, Union soldiers in the West fought for Native annihilation and removal. For this reason, these monuments in Denver and Santa Fe deserve to be examined with the same scrutiny as Confederate statues.​
 

unionblue

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Just for clarification, would you please expand on that?

In defense of a view, it is often a tactic to find other examples of people doing wrong in order to diminish their own wrong.

Doesn't change what was wrong in the first instance, but it's an effective, "Look! Something shiny over there!" distraction.
 

rebracer

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Again in the quest to always be right in the high stakes of an Internet forum, we sometimes miss the point.

I have been making this exact point about US genocide of the American Indians, soon (or currently in the case of this article) all symbols will be considered problematic, this includes the angelic blue uniforms and Stars and Stripes of the Union and the Union heroes who were post war leaders. It's not a question of something shiny over there, it's a very stark demonstration that everything has "baggage" and if everything is judged and given sentence based on the opinion of the minute, then everything will go. Maybe that's what you want, I don't pretend to know.

Personally I have always been in favor of protecting all monuments no matter what they are for, as in the case of a Union monument it wasn't erected for me. After the castigation of the past month maybe not...
 
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Greywolf

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In defense of a view, it is often a tactic to find other examples of people doing wrong in order to diminish their own wrong.

Doesn't change what was wrong in the first instance, but it's an effective, "Look! Something shiny over there!" distraction.
Bio says she grew up in Colorado and now lives in Massachusetts. Evidently she is no Southernor, if that is what you are implying
 

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In defense of a view, it is often a tactic to find other examples of people doing wrong in order to diminish their own wrong.

Doesn't change what was wrong in the first instance, but it's an effective, "Look! Something shiny over there!" distraction.

Or in Denying the Truth that all Anglo Saxons did do it. This Slick that only the Southerners or Confederates did it don’t pass the Smell Test. Evidently some haven’t studied Anything But Southern Slavery? Some simply Deny Anglo Saxons did anything wrong to the Native Americans. That Native Americans Lost their Lands fairly in Battle. Maybe some should educate themselves. Anglo Saxons enslaved the Native Populations. Columbus didn’t discover America. He discovered there were no Anglo Saxons here. Native Americans were called Savages and were thought to be Less Than Human. Undeserving to be entrusted with the Land.

The push West during the Civil War by the Yankee controlled Federal Government was to Replace Natives with Anglo Saxon Immigrants. There was no offer by the Yankee Controlled Federal Government to give any Land to Blacks. Free Soilers and Lincoln Proclaimed western lands were to be reserved for Anglo Families.
 
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Andersonh1

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In defense of a view, it is often a tactic to find other examples of people doing wrong in order to diminish their own wrong.

Doesn't change what was wrong in the first instance, but it's an effective, "Look! Something shiny over there!" distraction.

I don't know how you got from "now Union monuments are being targeted" to "this is just a distraction". It's not a distraction, it's a confirmation. I and others have said for years now that the same standards used to judge and condemn Confederate monuments would be used to go after the Founders, and others in American history. What stories like this demonstrate is that we were exactly right. No one in history can live up to the standards that the mob is attempting to impose on us. It's not about racial justice, it's about tearing down America and remaking it into something none of us will recognize, and making all of American history toxic is a big step in achieving that.
 
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Major Stinky

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Or in Denying the Truth that all Anglo Saxons did do it. This Slick that only the Southerners or Confederates did it don’t pass the Smell Test. Evidently some haven’t studied Anything But Southern Slavery? Some simply Deny Anglo Saxons did anything wrong to the Native Americans. That Native Americans Lost their Lands fairly in Battle. Maybe some should educate themselves. Anglo Saxons enslaved the Native Populations. Columbus didn’t discover America. He discovered there were no Anglo Saxons here. Native Americans were called Savages and were thought to be Less Than Human. Undeserving to be entrusted with the Land.

The push West during the Civil War by the Yankee controlled Federal Government was to Replace Natives with Anglo Saxon Immigrants. There was no offer by the Yankee Controlled Federal Government to give any Land to Blacks. Free Soilers and Lincoln Proclaimed western lands were to be reserved for Anglo Families.

Just a warning but the term "Anglo-Saxon" is often used by unsavory people across the internet as a code word used to advance their troubled goals. I don't think Christopher Columbus would have been concerned about Anglo-Saxons specifically in the Americas :smile:. Just thought I'd warn you as you may not be familiar and the usage here is outside the normal definition for "Anglo-Saxon".
 
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