Restricted Agree to define "Lost Cause"

lurid

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Nice example of the Single Causer Logic and the Single Cause Fallacy. All you look for is Slavery. So you reduce your analogy to what you want it to be, and disregard all others.

For 10,000 time, even if there were other reasons the primary cause was slavery because the south's entire economy relied on it. Nothing you can conjure up can supersede economics. Nothing.
 

Potomac Pride

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Georgia
Still slavery was the root of tariffs and trade in the south. Economics doesn't lie, during that era the south was merely a Banana Republic backed totally by slavery.

The South had been arguing with the North about tariff and trade issues decades before the Civil War even began. Slavery was not the cause of this controversy. For instance, the Georgia Declaration of Secession has a section that discusses unfair federal trade subsidies that benefited northern merchants at the expense of the south.
 

lurid

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The South had been arguing with the North about tariff and trade issues decades before the Civil War even began. Slavery was not the cause of this controversy. For instance, the Georgia Declaration of Secession has a section that discusses unfair federal trade subsidies that benefited northern merchants at the expense of the south.

Slavery wasn't the cause of the tariffs arguments decades before the war because it was never in jeopardy. Could it possible be that the Georgia Declaration of Secession was nothing but posturing and the real issue was slavery?? Just because a state or any other entity proclaims something doesn't mean that's the real motive. If you want to entrust yourself in slaveholders and people who wanted to be slaveholders that's your business, but I say throw that Georgia Declaration of Secession on the heap of junk that is called southern secession.
 

GwilymT

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Pittsburgh
Trade and tariffs.

If these are a cause independent of slavery (they are not, any differences regarding these stem from the differences between slave and free labor economies), they are not, in and of themselves, sufficient for secession which precipitated war.

If you have some evidence that trade and tariffs were sufficient to cause secession then please provide it.
 

Viper21

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Slavery wasn't the cause of the tariffs arguments decades before the war because it was never in jeopardy. Could it possible be that the Georgia Declaration of Secession was nothing but posturing and the real issue was slavery?? Just because a state or any other entity proclaims something doesn't mean that's the real motive. If you want to entrust yourself in slaveholders and people who wanted to be slaveholders that's your business, but I say throw that Georgia Declaration of Secession on the heap of junk that is called southern secession.

Unless that proclamation says, slavery. Seems anything said that is about slavery; was truth, nothing but the truth, & anything other than slavery; "isn't the real motive"... hahahahaha.

Just another way of saying, "Why don't we just take their word for it.......... (provided we agree with what they said)"

That's not history. That's subjective interpretation. :throwball:
 

wbull1

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Unless that proclamation says, slavery. Seems anything said that is about slavery; was truth, nothing but the truth, & anything other than slavery; "isn't the real motive"... hahahahaha.

Just another way of saying, "Why don't we just take their word for it.......... (provided we agree with what they said)"

That's not history. That's subjective interpretation. :throwball:

So accepting the statements of the people who explained why they seceded, which emphasize slavery over every other concern is subjective? Taking minor issues in the words of the people who seceded and attributing importance the people who wrote the words did not give is what? History?

For me, taking what people at the time stated were lesser issues and imagining for some reason they were secretly more definitive than people at the time said is subjective interpretation approaching the level of fantasy.
 
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