A Personal Point of View About Civil War Causes

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Certainly it was slavery for the politicians and the wealthy planters. The common man and the youth paid the price.
The common man benefited from having a clear, visible status symbol to aspire to (plantation & chattel). They also lived in a society where no matter how low they got they could always reassure themselves there was a who race lower than they. Slavery kept them, especially the virtue of their women, safe from perceived dangers of African savages. Slavery formed the backbone of antebellum Southern society. Fighting for "Southern rights" and the "Southern way of life" in 1861 meant de facto fighting for slavery.

It's hard to see the war portrayed by some today, as only about white supremacy, KKK etc.
It's the fallout from the war. Had the South grudgingly accepted defeat, admitted their mistake, and tried to move on the war would be seen differently.

But instead the South actively sought to perpetuate psuedo-slavery and segregation for another century. They embraced the Lost Cause and the KKK took up the CBF. And we still reap the whirlwind.
 

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Yet at the time, both Roger B. Taney and James Buchanan were certain that they had done just that.
That indeed is a fascinating story! The President and Chief Justice believed they had resolved the slavery issue permanently. Thanks for the reply! Interesting stuff!
 
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The common man benefited from having a clear, visible status symbol to aspire to (plantation & chattel). They also lived in a society where no matter how low they got they could always reassure themselves there was a who race lower than they. Slavery kept them, especially the virtue of their women, safe from perceived dangers of African savages. Slavery formed the backbone of antebellum Southern society. Fighting for "Southern rights" and the "Southern way of life" in 1861 meant de facto fighting for slavery.



It's the fallout from the war. Had the South grudgingly accepted defeat, admitted their mistake, and tried to move on the war would be seen differently.

But instead the South actively sought to perpetuate psuedo-slavery and segregation for another century. They embraced the Lost Cause and the KKK took up the CBF. And we still reap the whirlwind.
You are absolutely correct. The creation of the Lost Cause narrative is many times laid at the feet of Jubal Early. Another fascinating side light of the wars aftermath!
 

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That indeed is a fascinating story! The President and Chief Justice believed they had resolved the slavery issue permanently. Thanks for the reply! Interesting stuff!
Thanks for your response.
Buchanan considered settling the slavery issue by Dred Scott v. Sandford the greatest achievement of his presidency.
He confidently congratulated the Taney Court for:
the final settlement... of the question of slavery in the Territories, which had presented an aspect so truly formidable at the commencement of my Administration. The right has been established of every citizen to take his property of any kind, including slaves, into the common Territories belonging equally to all the States of the Confederacy, and to have it protected there under the Federal Constitution. Neither Congress nor a Territorial legislature nor any human power has any authority to annul or impair this vested right. The supreme judicial tribunal of the country, which is a coordinate branch of the Government, has sanctioned and affirmed these principles of constitutional law, so manifestly just in themselves and so well calculated to promote peace and harmony among the States.​
<James D. Richardson, A Compilation of the Messages and Papers of the Presidents, Volume V, Part 4.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/11021/11021-h/11021-h.htm>
His legacy took a turn as the situation only worsened.
 
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The common man benefited from having a clear, visible status symbol to aspire to (plantation & chattel). They also lived in a society where no matter how low they got they could always reassure themselves there was a who race lower than they. Slavery kept them, especially the virtue of their women, safe from perceived dangers of African savages. Slavery formed the backbone of antebellum Southern society. Fighting for "Southern rights" and the "Southern way of life" in 1861 meant de facto fighting for slavery.



It's the fallout from the war. Had the South grudgingly accepted defeat, admitted their mistake, and tried to move on the war would be seen differently.

But instead the South actively sought to perpetuate psuedo-slavery and segregation for another century. They embraced the Lost Cause and the KKK took up the CBF. And we still reap the whirlwind.
Imo, you are laying it on a little thick. Having us to believe that every poor southerner was foaming at the mouth to get him a mess of slaves or stand on the corner snickering amongst themselves, at least we are better than them thar slaves.
No, each person is unique no matter where they are from, with different thoughts, values, personalities. Why my old rural high school bud who is living the big life in the big town of Boston, do you think this nc boy has any interest in that mass of humanity, constant noise, just trying to keep up with the crowd. That would be a big heck no. Slavery imo was the biggest factor, but we can't lump every individual Johnny into the same basket, no two of us are exactly alike
 

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Having us to believe that every poor southerner was foaming at the mouth to get him a mess of slaves or stand on the corner snickering amongst themselves, at least we are better than them thar slaves.
I think that is quite an exaggeration of what I said.

A modern comparison might be made to lotto, although I can't really elaborate without getting into modern politics.

Consider how Lee's soldiers balked at digging entrenchments because it was the kind of labor was perceived as inappropriate for white men.

Racism is a passive reassurance for poor whites, whether in 1860 or today. Others can speak to the psychology behind it far better than I can.
 


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