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Name the first monument at the Gettysburg Battlefield that shows the image of a Confederate flag

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bonus: During the American Civil War how much pay could a blockade runner's captain expect to make for a successful blockade run?

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Name the first monument at the Gettysburg Battlefield that shows the image of a Confederate

credit: @sarladaise

bonus: During the American Civil War how much pay could a blockade runner's captain expect to make for a successful blockade run?

credit: @chellers
Main question. The Virginia monument (1917). Other earlier monuments had no images of confederates.
 
The monument to the 1st Maryland Battalion later changed to 2nd Maryland Infantry erected in 1884 was the first Confederate monument with an image I assume are Confederates. If not The Virginia Monument in 1917 would be the first one with clear images of Confederates including R E Lee.
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It was the 2nd Maryland Infantry monument dedicated in 1884. Thet were called the First Maryland Battalion at the time of the battle But the battlefield commission required it to be designated as the “2nd Maryland Infantry” .

http://gettysburg.stonesentinels.com/confederate-monuments/confederate-unit-monuments/2nd-maryland/

Bonus.

I have found several sources that show a captain could make $5,000 for a successful blockade.

I did find some contradicting amounts but $5k is shown the most.

Most credible book source.

https://books.google.com/books?id=7...q=successful blockade run captain pay&f=false
 
While the first Confederate monument erected at Gettysburg in 1884 was the 1st Md Battalion (2nd Md. due to conflict with Union regiment with same name), it appears first Confederate monument with a Confederate on it was the Va. monument in 1917 with Robert E. Lee and Traveler at the top and several soldiers at the base.
gettysburg.stonesentinels.com/confederate-monuments

Bonus: $5,000 in gold

Edit - You're the only player who entered a response before ami submitted her correction and did not subsequently revise that response.

However, the monument to the 1st New York (Cowan's) Independent Battery shows an image not only of a Confederate flag but also of Confederate soldiers (who are coming up the hill under that flag). So that is the correct answer, whether the word "flag" is part of the original question or not.

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I'm guessing that is the Virginia State Monument. The first Confederate Monument was to the 1st Maryland but that does not appear to have a confederate image on it.

Bonus:
Time Life Civil War volume 3, "The Blockade: Runners and Raiders" says that a captain could expect a salary of $5,000 in gold for a singe round trip between Nassau or St George and the Southern ports
 
Bonus: tough to find any actual numbers for an individual trip. Captains on private blockade runner ships earned about 5000$ a year paid in gold with sailors earning about 100$ a month with a 50$ bonus for a successful trip also paid in gold. Confederate naval captains were also paid (supposed to be anyway) 5000$ a year. sources - historynet.com/...b-tabb-abourd-confederate-blockade-runners.htm also civilwarhome.com/confederatenavy.htm

Edit - The question asked how much the captain would be paid for a successful voyage, not how much per year.

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The Virginia Monument
The Civil War saw our country split in two—North and South, Union and Confederate—but regardless of who was right, both sides were fighting for their beliefs, their families, and their way of life. It’s impossible to look at it as good guys vs. bad guys because it isn’t that simple. Good men fought and died on both sides of the battlefield, and it is only right to honor them. That is why Gettysburg features statues of both Union heroes, like the Pennsylvania State Memorial, and statues of Confederate heroes, like The Virginia Monument.

The Virginia Monument was the first of the Confederate monuments to be built at Gettysburg, and it remains the largest. It was commissioned on March 9, 1908 and cost $50,000, which, in today’s money, is the equivalent of $885,000. That’s pretty expensive! It towers forty-two feet above Seminary Ridge, just East of Spangler Woods and accessible by West Confederate Ave.

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The primary sculpture is a 14-foot bronze portrait of General Robert E. Lee, mounted upon his horse Traveller. Lee rides high on a 28-foot granite pedestal with seven Confederate soldiers beneath him. Their bronze eyes survey the field before them: site of the famous infantry assault of Pickett’s Charge. On the other side of the field is Cemetery Ridge, where the Union lines made their stand. There, a statue of General George Meade meets Lee’s gaze.
 
Friday question - State of Virginia Monument showing Lee astride Traveler, dedicated in 1917
Sources - Stone Sentinels
The Virginia Monument, Gettysburg Tour Center


Friday Bonus - This one was more difficult for me to find an answer to. According to the one source I decided to use, my answer is $5,000. in gold or U.S. currency.

Source - Blockade Runners of the Confederacy, Hamilton Cochran, pg. 64
"Below are listed the rates of pay aboard a first-class vessel when the business was at its height, based on a report of the master of the famous Don. The figures shown are for a single round trip from Nassau to Wilmington, assuming there were no delays in the turnaround, it would seem that these seagoing sailormen had plenty of cash to toss around the grog shops and brothels:
Captain ......................$5,000
Pilot ........................ 3,750
Chief Engineer ............... 2,500
Chief Officer ................. 1,250
Crew and firemen............. 250
These sums were paid the men in British gold or U.S. currency."
 
The first actual Confederate monument to show an image of confederates was the Virginia State Monumnet of Lee on Traveler in 1917. It also had 7 images of a cross section of ordinary Virginians, Pickett's Charge site. The First actual Confederate monument was to the First Maryland Battalion in 1884 at Culps Hill.

Bouns: Blocakade runner captains could except pay in gold. Some suggests around $2000 and others say $5000. The ship overall could bring in around $125,00 at trip, 250,000 for two trips. Also some say $250,000 for one trip.

Edit - I wish you would have cited at least one source for both the $2,000 answer and the $5,000 answer.

I can't find a source that supports the $2,000 answer.

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The State of Virginia Monument was the first of the Confederate State monuments at Gettysburg. It was dedicated on June 8, 1917 and unveiled by Miss Virginia Carter, a niece of Robert E Lee. The 2nd Maryland was the first confederate monument but it has the state seal on it.
source-http://gettysburg.stonesentinels.com/confederate-monuments/confederate-state-monuments/virginia/

bonus
Blockade-runner captains could be paid as much as $5,000 for a single voyage. That pay, moreover, was often in gold rather than badly inflated Confederate paper money.
source-http://www.myreporter.com/2009/04/blockade-runners/
source-http://www.starnewsonline.com/news/20131004/maritime-museum-takes-a-look-at-blockade-running
source-http://www.jcs-group.com/military/war1861fringe/runners.html
 
after looking closer at the Maryland monument those aren't Confederates that's the Maryland state seal, should have recognized it right away but that's what happens when you try and rush my pea brain so my answer would be the Virginia Monument.

Edit - You are correct that the figures on the Maryland monument are not Confederate soldiers. The Maryland state seal dates back to colonial days and the two figures represent a plowman and a fisherman.

Your answer of the Virginia Monument was revised in a subsequent post.

hoosier
 
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The Blockade Runners

Giraffe,
one of only three or four blockade runners owned by the Confederate government, was renamed R.E. Lee. All other blockade runners were privately owned and were so profitable that often one successful trip would more than pay for the loss of a ship. ‘A blockade-runner,’


Sailors on the privately owned ships were paid $100 a month in gold and a $50 bonus at the end of a good trip, which usually took about seven days. The crews of the government-owned blockade runners were paid the same. Captains and pilots earned as much as $5,000 a year. Navy captains, subordinate officers and pilots received only the pay of their rank in gold.

Edit - The question asked how much the captain would be paid for a successful voyage, not how much per year.

hoosier
 
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I’m guessing you want to monument that shows the image of a Confederate soldier - in which case it would be the Virginia State Monument with the image of General Robert E. Lee dedicated on June 8, 1917. There was the monument where General Armistead fell, dedicated earlier, but I could not see an image of a confederate.
http://gettysburg.stonesentinels.com/confederate-monuments/confederate-state-monuments/virginia/

Bonus
According to my source - captains would expect to make $5,000.00 per blockade run as opposed to the $150.00 they would make in the market trade before the war.
The Library of Congress Desk Reference, (edited by Margaret E. Wagner, Gary W. Gallagher, Paul Finkelman) page 548.
This source also lists the $5,000.00 (in gold) figure but also goes on to say sometimes they would be allowed to take a certain portion of the cargo for their private use.
Waters of Discord: The Union Blockade of Texas During the Civil WarBy Rodman L. Underwood - page 55.
But I have found another source from The Civil War Adventures of a Blockade Runner, by William Watson - where it appears his haul was not an lucrative (page 141). But since The Library of Congress Desk Reference, edited by Gary W. Gallagher (and others) claims $5,000.00 - I will go with that - for now.
 
The State of Virginia monument was the first of the Confederate monuments at Gettysburg. (Stone Sentinels)
Ironically, I found this photo at my parents' house yesterday of our family trip there in 1986.
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Bonus: to quote CSA Assistant Sec. of Navy James Soley: "a clear profit of £30,000 each way was no uncommon result."

Edit - That may have been the total profit, but the captain didn't receive that much.

hoosier
 
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I am changing my answer to the Main Question as I have been looking at monuments and realize the 2nd Maryland Infantry at Culp’s Hill, (although it was the 1st Maryland Infantry at the time of Gettysburg, and later was known as the 2nd) and dedicated in 1884 (or 6) depicts 2 soldiers (if I get on a bigger computer to see the picture) thus a confederate image brothers against brothers.
http://www.2ndmarylandcod.com/main-page-album/2nd-maryland-infantry-csa.html
https://www.hmdb.org/marker.asp?marker=13681
http://www.waymarking.com/gallery/image.aspx?f=1&guid=20816ef9-d5b3-4423-ab19-1f30b46194ad
 
Regular question:
I almost can't believe it myself, but I did not find a better answer... so I will boldly go with the Virginia State Monument, being the first of the Confederate state monuments and showing Robert E. Lee astride his horse Traveller. It was dedicated in 1917.


Bonus:
Difficult one for me...

I found a source saying 30.000 British Pounds were not uncommon... but that might be the overal profit, not the captain's pay...

"As a clear profit of £30,000 each way was no uncommon result, it is easy to believe that owners could afford to lose a vessel after two successful trips."
https://www.civilwar.org/learn/articles/veterans-monuments-and-memory

Another source says captains are paid $5000 a year (not per trip) and Navy captains not even that...

"Sailors on the privately owned ships were paid $100 a month in gold and a $50 bonus at the end of a good trip, which usually took about seven days. The crews of the government-owned blockade runners were paid the same. Captains and pilots earned as much as $5,000 a year. Navy captains, subordinate officers and pilots received only the pay of their rank in gold"
http://www.historynet.com/father-john-b-tabb-aboard-confederate-blockade-runners.htm

Then I found a source saying that one captain received his regular pay and $1000 per round trip.
"Blockade-running was a profitable business. Crossan received the monthly pay of a captain in the Confederate Navy and a thousand dollars for each round trip."
http://www.ncpedia.org/biography/crossan-thomas-morrow

Finally the book "Library of Congress Civil War desk reference" says on page 548: "Ship captains would hope to make as much as $5000 for a successful blockading run"
https://books.google.de/books?id=7svFnyOLknUC&pg=PA548&lpg=PA548&dq="Ship+captains+would+hope+to+make+as+much+as+$5000+for+a+successful+blockading+run"&source=bl&ots=ZL5datDIzj&sig=CewaGp1rn28lC2gu4tx-RLzQ1aE&hl=de&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwig8JjIxuHVAhWNZ1AKHRFRCFUQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=%22Ship%20captains%20would%20hope%20to%20make%20as%20much%20as%20%245000%20for%20a%20successful%20blockading%20run%22&f=false

So, being a librarian I will have to go with the LoC - which means that my final answer is that captains may have expected $5000. (But the reality probably was more like $1000 :smile:)
 
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Edit - All but one of the players who entered responses prior to this post made subsequent posts with revised answers.

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