2nd Manassas 5th NY Volunteers - Duryee's Zouaves at 2nd Bull Run

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Hi All,

I hope this is in the correct place. First post here.

I write articles for scale modeling magazines and in those articles a lot of history is discussed. I think a good article tells a little history, maybe some interesting anecdotal personal stories, and the model build itself. Which leads me to my question. I really hate to pass on incorrect information if there is an answer out there. Most of what I write about is modern military history and so this will be a little different for me.

As it relates to the National Flag at 2nd Bull Run, which is correct? I see a couple of different possibilities in my research. One is a star pattern in the field and the other is a more traditional pattern of gold stars. Does anybody know?

Here is what I have so far. I just started blocking in the uniform colors and then oils will be used later. I am about halfway through the faces. My goal is to depict the event of the color guard being shot down using a classic pyramid composition. The supine casualty is a 10th NY soldier, the wounded figure in the middle will be holding the regimental flag, and the standing figure will be holding the national flag and it will sort of wrapped over his shoulders and back.

I also attach a very old diorama I did 25 years ago which needs a little repair. I expect to have a much better result for this project.

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Hello @Marne Rock Star and welcome to Civil War Talk - the best place on the internet for Civil War discussion.

Im sorry, I can't answer your question about which flag is most accurate, but the detail of the soldiers is absolutely fantastic! Happy to have you aboard.
 
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Welcome from Michigan . Which magazines do you write for ? I also paint miniatures , mainly 75mm and up. Also do an occasional Tiger , Stuart or Sherman ....tanks that is .
 

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Welcome! Very nice work. Having read a lot on this incident, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing the end result.

As to the National Colors, according to New York in the War of the Rebellion, 1861 to 1865 comp. by Frederick Phisterer:

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Captain Churchill J. Cambreleng was in Company H, and according to the description of the flag with the star pattern on the NYS Military Museum website (Here), it was presented to the regiment through Company H by "some admiring ladies of New York" on July 16, 1861.

So that must be the same flag described in New York in the War of the Rebellion. If correct then the National Color with the star pattern was only in use through 1861, and the second National Color presented in 1862 may have been of the standard design.
 
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Thanks for the responses. Nice models. Good info on that flag history.
I wrote for Military Modelling but they recently stopped publishing. I will be submitting articles to Fine Scale but they like to stay with just the model building for the articles. Scale Military Modeling International will be publishing my next article. I do photo history books too, mostly on US armor. So I get to work around the real things. And today I head out to hang with the Army for research on my next book.

A couple more of my older ones. Sorry this turned into a modeling post, but I wanted to show what I do to as it relates to the question. All of these models are of real events and people. I usually interview the participants. The models are made either for them or a museum, and/or an article. So my passion is to depict real people and real events vs something generic and therefore plenty of research goes into each one.

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Thanks for the responses. Nice models. Good info on that flag history.
I wrote for Military Modelling but they recently stopped publishing. I will be submitting articles to Fine Scale but they like to stay with just the model building for the articles. Scale Military Modeling International will be publishing my next article. I do photo history books too, mostly on US armor. So I get to work around the real things. And today I head out to hang with the Army for research on my next book.

A couple more of my older ones. Sorry this turned into a modeling post, but I wanted to show what I do to as it relates to the question. All of these models are of real events and people. I usually interview the participants. The models are made either for them or a museum, and/or an article. So my passion is to depict real people and real events vs something generic and therefore plenty of research goes into each one.

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Great stuff. That Viet Nam piece looks familiar . It's nice to see that some modeling magazines still do the occasional figure .
 

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The Alice pack floating in the water next to that Amtrac really ties it together. Had a couple buddies lose packs from the side of tracks , they got scrapped off during turns on narrow alleys during Phantom Fury. What is the story on that model, is it representing OIF?
 
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