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  1. BuckeyeWarrior

    Supreme Court cases for and against secession

    I am creating this thread as a companion piece to my thread; https://civilwartalk.com/threads/did-lincoln-follow-precedents-set-by-previous-presidents-when-dealing-with-the-secession-rebellion-of-the-southern-states.169547/ Here I'm looking for any evidence from supreme court cases, either as...
  2. BuckeyeWarrior

    Supreme Court evidence for and against secession.

    I am creating this thread as a companion piece to my thread; https://civilwartalk.com/threads/did-lincoln-follow-precedents-set-by-previous-presidents-when-dealing-with-the-secession-rebellion-of-the-southern-states.169547/ Here I'm looking for any evidence from supreme court cases, either as...
  3. BuckeyeWarrior

    Was the southern states attempt at disunion peaceful?

    I have seen the claim many times that the southern states attempt at disunion was peaceful. Do the members of this board believe it was peaceful? Why or Why not? I believe it was not peaceful and as evidence I post the following list of actions by southern states as proof. December 27...
  4. M

    "Southern Leaders Speak Out on Secession"

    So Donald Garlit will being giving the pretension at the Ann Arbor Civil War Round Table tomorrow night, titled "Southern Leaders Speak Out on Secession - Proclamation to the Southern People and the World". I think I will attend. So should I ask him some hard questions? Upcoming pretensions...
  5. Tom Hughes

    Two Reasons for Secession from the Union

    We all know that there was no simple answer to Southern secession from the Union in 1861. It's not as "black & white" (literally) as one would suspect. So, when dealing with a complex issue such as this you really need to break it down to two elements: 1. What were the reasons that the...
  6. Rhea Cole

    In 1861, What Two Questions About Secession Would You Ask?

    In 1861, What Two Questions About Secession Would You Ask? I doubt there is not a one of us who has not imagined having a conversation with the men who started the Civil War. Why they seceded & way then? Would be my two questions. As it is, somebody asked them that way back then. The first...
  7. Rhea Cole

    The First & The Last In Their Own Words Reasons For Secession.

    The First & The Last In Their Own Words Reasons For Secession. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the...
  8. wausaubob

    It probably was cotton, after all.

    The Historical Atlas of the Civil War, John MacDonald, Chartwell Books, Inc, New York 2009. There is a little map on page 21 that illustrates the distribution of the vote on secession. In western Virginia, eastern Tennessee, northern Alabama, and the Red River area of Texas, areas in which...
  9. Belle Montgomery

    Great Lakes shipwreck killed 300: A Wisconsin Civil War story

    . SHEBOYGAN - "All the pieces had to fall into place for this tragedy to happen." That's how Paul Timm, an eighth-grade teacher at Random Lake Middle School, feels about the story of the Lady Elgin, a steam ship that sunk off the coast of Winnetka, Illinois, in 1860. The passengers on the...
  10. wausaubob

    Given more time, Could the Lincoln Administration Prevent Secession?

    Given just slightly more time the fears of the secessionists that Lincoln could put slavery on the path towards elimination would have been fulfilled. First the administration would tell Maryland politicians that due to the threat of secession, the national capital must be removed to Columbus...
  11. wausaubob

    John Motley's description of Civil War secession.

    This is a quote of Ambassador Motley's letter to Chancellor Bismark circa 1864. As quoted in Don Doyle's The Cause of All Nations, An International History of the American Civil War. Basic Books a division of Penguin Books, New York 2015: "You asked me in the last letter before the present one...
  12. WJC

    William Aiken

    Author Dayton Pryor lists fifty-six forts, arsenals and ships that were seized by the first states that seceded, all occurring before Lincoln was inaugurated. <Dayton Pryor, The Beginning and the End: The Civil War Story of Federal Surrenders Before Fort Sumter and Confederate Surrenders After...
  13. WJC

    California and Racism Directed at Chinese

    The suggestion has been made that Californians concerned about Chinese immigration might have considered secession. Let's discuss this and share sourced evidence.
  14. Brendan

    Restricted Confederate Flag Proposals

    A couple Confederate flag proposals recorded in a 1917 book published by the National Geographic Society provide a fascinating look into the Secessionist mindset of the 1860s: ...Jan. 2, 1862, a Richmond correspondent wrote in the Charleston Mercury: "Quite a number of new fangled flags are...
  15. WJC

    What If... Georgia Did Not Secede?

    The secession vote in Georgia appears to have been 'too close to call'. Some point out that turnout was lower than expected because of bad weather and that Unionists did not campaign as aggressively as secessionists. Whatever the reason, the results were so close that the count was never...
  16. WJC

    Was SC Preparing for War Before Lincoln's Election?

    South Carolina seceded December 20, 1860, followed by other states in early 1861. The accepted reason is that South Carolinians were shocked at the outcome of the 1860 election and feared that the incoming Lincoln Administration would end slavery or at the least curtail its expansion. This, we...
  17. Cavalry Charger

    Stanton and Secession

    "While I was in pursuit of General Lee, The President went to Richmond in company with Admiral Porter, and on board his flagship. He found the people of that city in great consternation. The leading citizens among the people who had remained at home surrounded him, anxious that something...
  18. jgoodguy

    WHAT IS OUR CONSTITUTION, -LEAGUE, PACT, OR GOVERNMENT?

    WHAT IS OUR CONSTITUTION, -LEAGUE, PACT, OR GOVERNMENT? Link What is our Constitution,--league, pact, or government? Two lectures on the Constitution of the United States concluding a course on the modern state, delivered in the law school of Columbia College, during the winter of 1860 and...
  19. wausaubob

    Political structures that led to secession.

    I am sure others can do this better than I but, 1. Having the states represented in the Senate makes the states look the entities that made the United States. 2. Having the electors vote in blocks from the states, for President, instead have the electors divided proportionately with the popular...
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