Confederate ones were .54 caliber. Union ones were often re-bored to higher calibers anywhere between .54 -.58, typically. But alas, I am not an expert. I am sure others can provide more information.
So, the Confederates needed three drifferent bulltet sizes back then? .58 for their Springfields and Richmonds, slightly smaller ones for their .577 Enfield barrels AND .54 bullets for the Lorenz?
No, .54 cal was issued regardless as it fit all three. At least I believe that's what happened.
So the Confederates produced special cartridges for the Lorenz with .54 Minies and special cartridges with .58 Minies for their Springfields, etc. Were there different cartridges between the ones for the .58 Springfield/Richmond/... and the .577 Enfield?
PS: Sorry for the slight offtopic.
Thanks for your response .The stock was cut down. The original stock is much longer. I don't have a picture handy but if you Google 1854 Lorenz you will find pictures of the musket with its original stock. Yours has the cheek rest style stock. Many of the Confederate-purchased Lorenzes had that. Obviously the front and rear sight are missing. The barrel length should be 37.5 inches long. My guess is somebody converted it into a shotgun.
Both the North and South purchased Lorenzes (approx 300,000 total, making it the 2nd most common imported musket, 2nd only to the 1853 Enfield). Confederate ones were .54 caliber. Union ones were often re-bored to higher calibers anywhere between .54 -.58, typically. But alas, I am not an expert. I am sure others can provide more information.
Correct. Barrel bands over springs was the standard configuration for the 1854 Lorenz.Thanks for your response .
I have seen a reference to another rifle that had a 28 inch barrel, could this just be a coincidence? And this rifle has a wedge to help hold the stock on. Don’t believe the standard rifle had a wedge but just barrel bands.
The Austrian arms can be pretty confusing, especially since some were modified before or at the time of our Civil Way (such as converting the unusual tubelock ignition system to a percussion system), but more confusingly, tens of thousands were converted AFTER the war in various ways for sale on the civilian market, as was your gun
I finally took a look at one of my reference books (Civil War Guns by William B. Edwards). It's an older book, so maybe updated information exists today. Based on the trigger guard shape, it would be logical to conclude its the Jaeger version of the Lorenz (29,850 of these were imported), but there is one major inconsistency that cannot be explained by any later alteration....the barrel length of the Jaeger is 26 inches, whereas your barrel is 28 inches. The other inconsistency is that only the last 4.5 inches should be rounded, the rest should be octagon, though it is possible the barrel was later altered to make it round. Your barrel is not the standard Lorenz musket barrel because the octagon portion would only be 8 - 10 inches long, and clearly the octagon portion on yours is much longer.
Before we discuss your musket any further, please verify the barrel length by re-measuring the barrel from where the barrel tang begins to extend back from the rest of the barrel. Do you measure 26 or 28 inches based on this method?
Also, do you see any stamped markings near the breech?
Can you see down the bore to the bottom of the breech? Do you see a metal ledge near the bottom (called a "tige" that would support the bullet)? Any rifling still evident? (if yes, describe the number of grooves...there should be 4, with the grooves and lands being equal width).
The Jaeger's with the tige were remarkably accurate. At 246 yards, 100 bullets could be fired into a 6 inch bullseye. In the Austrian army, these guns were given to the best marksmen.
It's too bad this gun got cut down.
Update to my first post on this: the Lorenz calibers varied from .54 to .59 (apparently, some manufacturers were re-boring to meet the .58 specification of the North, but didn't know whether to base that on the groove-to-groove widths or the land-to-land widths).
Comment re the Pictures: You take great pics by the way!! I wish I could take such nice photos when I post. Did you use a proper camera (versus a cell phone), what lighting did you use, and what was the backdrop?
The barrel measures 28 inches not including the tang. I have found several references that the jaeger had a 28 inch barrel. There are numbers or letters on the barrel but can not make them out at the moment.
The barrel had the small post brass front sight and the large rear sight that has been filled in apparently.
Can not see to the bottom of the barrel but can feel something that reduces the size near the breech.
There are 5 hash marks inside the stock and on the bottom of the barrel. Seems all matching numbers as well.
After scanning this - hopefully I didn't miss it somewhere! - I'd like to point out that .54 ammunition was also needed for the very many "Mississippi" Rifles that were in Confederate service. (And Union too.)So the Confederates produced special cartridges for the Lorenz with .54 Minies and special cartridges with .58 Minies for their Springfields, etc. Were there different cartridges between the ones for the .58 Springfield/Richmond/... and the .577 Enfield?
PS: Sorry for the slight offtopic.
So the Confederates produced special cartridges for the Lorenz with .54 Minies and special cartridges with .58 Minies for their Springfields, etc. Were there different cartridges between the ones for the .58 Springfield/Richmond/... and the .577 Enfield?