Sherman Every Day is Sherman Day

I agree with you here, but to note, almost simultaneously similar removal and extermination actions were being carried out in Virginia and the Carolinas against the various tribes in those areas. And later to spread to the Old Northwest and Kentucky, etc. The "trails" were far from unique to New England or New Amsterdam/New York.
Exactly, which is why I mentioned when the response was centered in the South...again.

Slavery is not a rhetorical device, its absolutely central to understanding the Civil War. It would be a rhetorical device if someone brought up slavery when talking about Custer at the Little Bighorn.
Yes, it is and is used as such on this site frequently to turn the discussion. We can't even discuss the conditions of Northern factory labor without some yahoo throwing in "well it was better than slavery" and derailing the discussion. Trust me. We've tried.
 
I made a "smart"comment on another thread, and the host very politely suggested I share them on the appropriate thread.

Every Day is Sherman Day. Because we live in the world that Sherman created, the future that he made. We live in the lands he helped take from the Indians. He wasn't the only one, but he was one. People feel bad about that, but not enough to move away. He helped win the Civil War, and he helped make a country where secession was unthinkable. Some people think he was awfully mean about it, but they're not going to move away either.

The more I read about Uncle Billy the more I admire the man. It would be virtually impossible to measure his heart. I wish I was a sixteenth as bold as Sherman. His style was impeccable. Sherman is definitely one of the pillars of America.
 
Oh, every day is Sherman Day? Let me go fetch his high priest, the Master of Shermania and Keeper of the all important Flame... @unionblue .

This thread illustrates why I often pair Sherman and Forrest. They are imperfect, greatly flawed, highly capable heroes who deserve both the accolades and the criticism. One can haul out a list of crimes they both committed and make a perfect case for them both being the devil...and do the same in reverse to prove they are both angels. Forrest was a die-hard Southern nationalist. Sherman was a die-hard Unionist. If the CSA had established itself, would Forrest have been the one implementing their Indian policy? Perhaps - and it would have been aimed for the same results. No matter which way it went, the USA and the CSA were going to expand - and the tribes were going to be carried out of the bar room brawl on a stretcher to the nearest reservation. There was no getting out of the path of either entity. To put that matter in the tiniest of tiny nutshells - greed ruled the day!
 
Oh, every day is Sherman Day? Let me go fetch his high priest, the Master of Shermania and Keeper of the all important Flame... @unionblue

Hark!

The candles of the shrine flicker, then grow bright! A whispered call is heard and the spirit of the One and True Shrine glows hot and bright!

Come forth, oh seeker of the light! Embrace the One and True Shrine and permit it to burn away any doubts, any fears1

(Besides, you got fire insurance, right?)

High Priest Unionblue,
Keeper of the One and True Shrine!
 
Oh, every day is Sherman Day? Let me go fetch his high priest, the Master of Shermania and Keeper of the all important Flame... @unionblue .

This thread illustrates why I often pair Sherman and Forrest. They are imperfect, greatly flawed, highly capable heroes who deserve both the accolades and the criticism. One can haul out a list of crimes they both committed and make a perfect case for them both being the devil...and do the same in reverse to prove they are both angels. Forrest was a die-hard Southern nationalist. Sherman was a die-hard Unionist. If the CSA had established itself, would Forrest have been the one implementing their Indian policy? Perhaps - and it would have been aimed for the same results. No matter which way it went, the USA and the CSA were going to expand - and the tribes were going to be carried out of the bar room brawl on a stretcher to the nearest reservation. There was no getting out of the path of either entity. To put that matter in the tiniest of tiny nutshells - greed ruled the day!

We have no way of knowing what Forrest would have said and done, we do know what Sherman said and did.
 
We have no way of knowing what Forrest would have said and done, we do know what Sherman said and did.

That's sure true. I'm not sure what Forrest would have done in Sherman's shoes - not enough data on what the CSA would have had as an Indian policy. Forrest had a very different view of Indians than did Sherman - some of Forrest's relations were Cherokee. I think he would have made a distinction between Indians like the Cherokee and Indians like the Apache. Sherman lumped everybody into one uncivilized and therefore worthless bundle - the only distinction he made was who would knuckle under and who wouldn't!
 
If all the southerners who claim to be part Cherokee really are there must have been a Hell of a lot of Cherokees. You'd think the Cherokees numerous metis (to borrow a term from the Pays d'en Haut) kinsmen would have stuck up for them. Maybe they didn't exist.

Now you seldom meet a northerner who claims descent from an "Ottawa princess".
 
If all the southerners who claim to be part Cherokee really are there must have been a Hell of a lot of Cherokees. You'd think the Cherokees numerous metis (to borrow a term from the Pays d'en Haut) kinsmen would have stuck up for them. Maybe they didn't exist.

Now you seldom meet a northerner who claims descent from an "Ottawa princess".

You know, there's actually a name for that - Cherokee Princess Syndrome! I don't know what it is, but a lot of people truly believe they're part Native - particularly Cherokee although Sioux is coming up fast. I suppose it might establish some sort of a claim to the land that was taken - not many reservations in the South, after all! (And they're all dinky...)

I, however, really am an Indian princess. :smug: Doesn't impress anybody...at all... :laugh:
 
You know, there's actually a name for that - Cherokee Princess Syndrome! I don't know what it is, but a lot of people truly believe they're part Native - particularly Cherokee although Sioux is coming up fast. I suppose it might establish some sort of a claim to the land that was taken - not many reservations in the South, after all! (And they're all dinky...)

I, however, really am an Indian princess. :smug: Doesn't impress anybody...at all... :laugh:

@diane ,

You impress me, Your Highness, with every post you make here.

YMOS,
Unionblue
 
:laugh: Ah-ha! Going for a Knight of the Realm? All you have to do is sneak up on an eagle and pluck a couple feathers... With a little luck, he might not notice!

Hmmm...

Knight of the Realm and High Priest of the One True Shrine?

I could make that work!

And the eagle feathers would look glorious flanking the picture of Him of the One True Shrine!

(And get that Forrest flag from under the Shrine!) :wink:

Knight-in-Waiting AND High Priest of the One True Shrine,
Unionblue (Pageboy status)
 
Hmmm...

Knight of the Realm and High Priest of the One True Shrine?

I could make that work!

And the eagle feathers would look glorious flanking the picture of Him of the One True Shrine!

(And get that Forrest flag from under the Shrine!) :wink:

Knight-in-Waiting AND High Priest of the One True Shrine,
Unionblue (Pageboy status)

There we go! I've got to find a tomahawk for that shoulder whapping part... Aw, got to take back the flag? And Sherman wanted one so bad... :roflmao:
 
There we go! I've got to find a tomahawk for that shoulder whapping part...

Ouch! But anything to please your Highness.

Aw, got to take back the flag? And Sherman wanted one so bad... :roflmao:

@diane ,

Forget these petty distractions, your Highness! The One True Shrine deserves your constant attention and consideration! And with such, the candle flames will increase in number and will burn brighter, hotter and, and...:eek:

OH HECK! WHERTE DID I PUT THAT FIRE EXTINGUISHER!!!

Unionblue,
The Frantic High Priest of the One True, Flaming, Shrine
 
... Yes, it is and is used as such on this site frequently to turn the discussion. We can't even discuss the conditions of Northern factory labor without some yahoo throwing in "well it was better than slavery" and derailing the discussion. Trust me. We've tried.
But, no, northern factory workers are only brought up in threads already about slavery ... and to derail any discussion of slavery's importance as the root cause of the conflict. "Well, it is better than slavery" is, in a sense, a return to the point of the thread, not a "derailment."

It would be more meaningful if somebody had started a thread with a title something like "The Treatment of Northern factory workers as a Cause of the Civil War," and slavery was then interjected into the discussion.

I invite anyone to seek evidence of northern industrial working conditions as a cause of the war ... and to post it.
 
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But, no, northern factory workers are only brought up in threads already about slavery ... and to derail any discussion of slavery's importance as the root cause of the conflict. "Well, it is better than slavery" is, in a sense, a return to the point of the thread, not a "derailment."

It would be more meaningful if somebody had started a thread with a title something like "The Treatment of Northern factory workers as a Cause of the Civil War," and slavery was then interjected into the discussion.

I invite anyone to seek evidence of northern industrial working conditions as a cause of the war ... and to post it.
Where did I say northern working conditions was a cause of the war? Please point that out for all of us.
 
I think he meant we are as children that cannot stay within the lines of the coloring book. But you knew that because I knew that. And it should be wondered Sherman would even allow a day to be set aside for himself. I keep reading smoke signals off toward Columbia saying ; 'I got mine already!'.

Lubliner.
 
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