Feb 13, 2017 at 10:00 PM -
PeterT: A southern politician said "If the negroes make good soldiers then our whole notion of slavery is wrong". They did and it was.
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:01 PM -
JerseyBart: Sure was and they did not react well to being proven so incredibly wrong.
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:02 PM -
Tennessee_Mountainman: You see this same pattern when you study some of the bizarre cases against black men in the south during the mid 20th century
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:03 PM -
JerseyBart: Natives Americans and Europeans as well.
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:03 PM -
Tennessee_Mountainman: It directly reflects the behaviour of their ancestors, and to me, that is clear enough evidence
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:04 PM -
JerseyBart: Like I say in class A LOT...rich white landowning men are gonna do what rich white landowning men do.
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:05 PM -
Tennessee_Mountainman: Yep. It all boils down to greed. Whites just so happened to get to places first
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:05 PM -
Tennessee_Mountainman: Have you ever seen "Gun, Germs, and Steel?"
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:06 PM -
JerseyBart: No
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:07 PM -
Tennessee_Mountainman: Well it's a pretty good documentary that explains that stuff
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:09 PM -
JerseyBart: Thanks. I'll check it out. Netflix?
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:09 PM -
Pat Young: Levin's book on The Crater is good
https://www.amazon.com/Remembering-...F8&qid=1487041714&sr=8-2&keywords=kevin+levin
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:09 PM -
Pat Young: He spends quite a bit of it on how the battle was recalled
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:10 PM -
Pat Young: Particularly how blacks were eventally written out of the story
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:10 PM -
Tennessee_Mountainman: It might be JB. I saw it on Youtube though
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:11 PM -
JerseyBart: Thanks Tennessee.
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:11 PM -
PeterT: To what extent Pat? That their participation was not mentioned? When were they written back in to the story?
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:11 PM -
JerseyBart: Is Kevin on cwt?
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:13 PM -
Pat Young: Kevin is not. He has his own blog called Civil War Memory
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:13 PM -
Pat Young: He is writting a new book on "Black Confederates"
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:13 PM -
JerseyBart: Thanks Pat.
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:14 PM -
Tennessee_Mountainman: That sounds interesting. When will that come out?
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:14 PM -
Tennessee_Mountainman: I sent you a link you can view later if you would like, JB.
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:15 PM -
Pat Young: I'm not sure. I am a fb friend of his and he is working on finishing the book now for UNC Press.
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:15 PM -
JerseyBart: Just saw it. Thanks Tennessee. One of the man reasons I love this place...learning community.
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:15 PM -
Pat Young: "Finishing" can take a year though for a scholarly book.
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:15 PM -
Tennessee_Mountainman: There are so many misconceptions about Black Confederates. I'm confident Levin will clear some of those issues.
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:15 PM -
Tennessee_Mountainman: No problem JB!
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:16 PM -
Pat Young: I know right now he is working on how black camp servants have lately been misidenitfied as "Confederate soldiers."
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:16 PM -
JerseyBart: In a very honest, impassioned way.
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:16 PM -
Pat Young: Blacks were pretty much not invited to the Petersburg reunions and the reenactments had no blacks.
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:17 PM -
Pat Young: When I visited Petersburg in my 20s I found out about the large role blacks played in the seige
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:17 PM -
Pat Young: Firth time I heard of it.
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:17 PM -
Tennessee_Mountainman: Even in my reenacting community, they believe Black Confederates that actually fought for the CSA. The only time black took up arms in the Confederacy were the LNG, but they were militia and only on guard duty if I remember correctly. 10 percne tof them became USCTs when NO was captured
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:18 PM -
Pat Young: I did not realize that a whole Corps of blacks was organized by Ben Butler.
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:18 PM -
Tennessee_Mountainman: Sorry, I killed that with typos
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:18 PM -
Pat Young: we got it
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:18 PM -
JerseyBart: Haha
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:19 PM -
Tennessee_Mountainman:
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:19 PM -
Pat Young: What did you think of Kevin's overall presentation?
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:19 PM -
JerseyBart: That book is a must read for those who want or claim to want honest history.
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:19 PM -
Pat Young: truth
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:20 PM -
Tennessee_Mountainman: I'm no expert critique on presentations, but I he gets to his points in a manner that allows you to sort of go in a chain of thoughts
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:20 PM -
Tennessee_Mountainman: It was really good
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:20 PM -
JerseyBart: I loved it. Great questions too. The more I learn, the more I love the behind the scenes information more than battle strategy etc c.
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:21 PM -
Tennessee_Mountainman: Some people change to different points so quickly that they boggle your mind
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:21 PM -
Pat Young: Funny thing he told me
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:21 PM -
Pat Young: He wanted to do a bio of Mahone
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:21 PM -
Tennessee_Mountainman: It's good to not get an armchair's perspective all the time!
Feb 13, 2017 at 10:21 PM -
JerseyBart: College Bart would have been angry to not see maps, videos and hear "this happened and then this happened next and this happened next. The end."