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OK, when somebody asks you when the Civil War ended, what do you say?
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- Alan
I heard a good case today from Greg Downs that Congress said the war was still on until they readmitted the states to representation in Congress. That puts the end of the war in the 1870s.
Civil Wars truly end when almost everybody can agree to live together in mutual respect or one side forces the other out of the land or can suppress them to such an extent that the other side follows the wish's of the stronger side. Has far as the US go's one can make ones own judgement's.
Leftyhunter
If we define the Civil War has the end of violence to maintain slavery and establish an independent slave owning republic then the Civil War ended after the surrender of Lee and Johnston's armies. Once these armies surrendered the Confederacy was dead."A clear moment of peace" I heard that today from the Gregory Downs presentation that cash referrred to
If we define the Civil War has the end of violence to maintain slavery and establish an independent slave owning republic then the Civil War ended after the surrender of Lee and Johnston's armies. Once these armies surrendered the Confederacy was dead.
The extensive violence after the Civil War to suppress black people in the South lasted a good one hundred years later. The political conflict continues. So the Confederacy died by the late spring of 1865 but not civil conflict.
Leftyhunter
If we define the Civil War has the end of violence to maintain slavery and establish an independent slave owning republic then the Civil War ended after the surrender of Lee and Johnston's armies. Once these armies surrendered the Confederacy was dead.
The extensive violence after the Civil War to suppress black people in the South lasted a good one hundred years later. The political conflict continues. So the Confederacy died by the late spring of 1865 but not civil conflict.
Leftyhunter
I am going to stay with the August 20, 1866 ending to the war as determined by the United States v. Anderson case.
Yes their was violence but after Johnston surrendered their was no serious attempt to establish a slave republic on US soil.There was fighting after those surrenders.
Yes their was violence but after Johnston surrendered their was no serious attempt to establish a slave republic on US soil.
Leftyhunter
Was their a serious attempt to continue the fight for a slave republic after Lee and Johnston surrendered their armies? By serious I mean a battle involving plus one thousand men not little guerrilla skirmishs .Seems to me that trying to kill people is pretty serious.
The overwhelming conclusion that I took away from today's seminar is that the war ended a lot later than the usual, traditional picture of Lee and Grant signing the surrender of the ANV.
Was their a serious attempt to continue the fight for a slave republic after Lee and Johnston surrendered their armies? By serious I mean a battle involving plus one thousand men not little guerrilla skirmishs .
Leftyhunter
With all due respect I will stick with my original point. For all practical purposes once Lee and Johnston surrendered the Confederacy died with it. Their simply would not be an independent slave republic on the North American continent. Yes the Union commander at the Palamito Ranch caused an unnecessary very minor battle. Yes their was post Civil War violence and I have a thread on it. Yes Brigader General Stan Waite surrendered last but a few hundred Indians does not a national security threat make.I fail to see what's magical about 1,000. Palmito Ranch had about 800. That seems pretty serious.
How is it the United States continued to exercise its war powers long after the two surrenders?