Video Discussion 41: The Irish Brigade

Doubtful that I will make this one.
 
I will be there after all.
 
transcript:

Nov 14, 2016 9:27 PM - JerseyBart: Hi Pat. Thanks.
Nov 14, 2016 9:29 PM - bdtex: Yo!
Nov 14, 2016 9:29 PM - JerseyBart: Hi bd
Nov 14, 2016 9:30 PM - bdtex: Hello
Nov 14, 2016 9:31 PM - PeterT: Hello all
Nov 14, 2016 9:31 PM - JerseyBart: Hi Peter
Nov 14, 2016 9:31 PM - bdtex: Prolly be a short chat from me. Don't know much about the topic other than what was in the video.
Nov 14, 2016 9:33 PM - bdtex: Just you and me JB?
Nov 14, 2016 9:33 PM - PeterT: It was interesting. Most of which I was aware of.
Nov 14, 2016 9:33 PM - JerseyBart: Looking at pat's link...quite a three year butcher's bill,for the Irish brigade.
Nov 14, 2016 9:33 PM - Pat Young: Hello all. Mary Dee poked me, so here I am!
Nov 14, 2016 9:34 PM - JerseyBart: Always glad to have you and your wealth of knowledge around pat.
Nov 14, 2016 9:34 PM - bdtex: Hey Pat.
Nov 14, 2016 9:36 PM - Pat Young: Hello bdtex
Nov 14, 2016 9:36 PM - Pat Young: Thanks JB
Nov 14, 2016 9:36 PM - bdtex: 1st regiment was a 90 day unit.
Nov 14, 2016 9:36 PM - Pat Young: Well, that is a little deceptive
Nov 14, 2016 9:37 PM - bdtex: Tell me more
Nov 14, 2016 9:37 PM - Pat Young: the original 69th NYSM was not exactly the same unit as the 69th NYSV
Nov 14, 2016 9:37 PM - JerseyBart: then bull run didn't go as planned.
Nov 14, 2016 9:38 PM - Pat Young: Recent research shows that the men were substantially different in the two regiments, even though they had the same number
Nov 14, 2016 9:38 PM - bdtex: Did not know Sherman was their first commander.
Nov 14, 2016 9:38 PM - Pat Young: They and the 79th NY disliked Sherman
Nov 14, 2016 9:39 PM - JerseyBart: It may have been movie magic, but was the dramatics around Meager during Fredericksburg
Nov 14, 2016 9:39 PM - Pat Young: the 79th mutinied
Nov 14, 2016 9:39 PM - Pat Young: That was the NY Highlander regiment
Nov 14, 2016 9:39 PM - Pat Young: A Scottish outfit
Nov 14, 2016 9:39 PM - bdtex: Also did not know they joined to get experience to fight for Ireland later.
Nov 14, 2016 9:39 PM - JerseyBart: That backfired
Nov 14, 2016 9:40 PM - Pat Young: Well, they formed the nucleus of the Fenian force that invaded Canada
Nov 14, 2016 9:40 PM - PeterT: Meagher was an interesting character. You could do a movie/mini series on him. Ireland/Australia/USA and the Civil War.
Nov 14, 2016 9:40 PM - Pat Young: The escape from
Nov 14, 2016 9:41 PM - Pat Young: Von Damians land is quite a story
Nov 14, 2016 9:41 PM - Pat Young: ell-told in Timothy Egan's Immortal Irishman
Nov 14, 2016 9:41 PM - Pat Young: well-told
Nov 14, 2016 9:41 PM - bdtex: Enjoyed the segment about the Brigade at Antietam including their love of Little Mac
Nov 14, 2016 9:42 PM - bdtex: Didn't know that about Little Mac
Nov 14, 2016 9:42 PM - Pat Young: They liked him for a number of reasons, including that he was a War Democrat
Nov 14, 2016 9:43 PM - Pat Young: His sacking came soon after the Preliminary Emancipation Proclamation
Nov 14, 2016 9:43 PM - Pat Young: and it looked like an abolitionist purge of the army
Nov 14, 2016 9:43 PM - Pat Young: of Democrats
Nov 14, 2016 9:43 PM - PeterT: I have been to Meaghers home in Ross in Tasmania. If I find a photo of it I'll post it.
Nov 14, 2016 9:43 PM - bdtex: Yeah. I got that and their ire at the Emancipation Proclamation and the sacking of Mac
Nov 14, 2016 9:44 PM - Pat Young: Oh, cool
Nov 14, 2016 9:44 PM - Pat Young: I forgot you were down thefre
Nov 14, 2016 9:44 PM - Pat Young: there
 
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:44 PM - JerseyBart: Why did Mulholland lead the brigade at Fredericksburg not meager?
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:45 PM - Pat Young: Meagher led them into the battle, but left the field
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:45 PM - bdtex: The video did not say much about the 116th PA
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:45 PM - Pat Young: this remains very controversial
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:45 PM - Pat Young: some accused him him of cowardice
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:46 PM - JerseyBart: Any reason given?
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:46 PM - JerseyBart: That would be understandable.
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:46 PM - Pat Young: he said an ulcer on his leg opened and he left for that reason
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:46 PM - JerseyBart: Thanks Pat.
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:47 PM - Pat Young: You do not see his men accuse him of cowardice, however
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:47 PM - Pat Young: Today we all know about the Irish Brigade
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:47 PM - JerseyBart: what is a leg ulcer
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:47 PM - Pat Young: But it was famous at the time as well
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:48 PM - JerseyBart: Nope, just looked online. Ouch!
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:48 PM - Pat Young: A leg ucer? I am not sure. It would seem to be some sort of hematoma
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:48 PM - bdtex: I liked the description and drawings of the Saint Patrick's Day celebration
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:49 PM - Pat Young: The St. Patrick's day celebrations were a big deal
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:49 PM - Pat Young: They had them every year and many of the Generals came
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:49 PM - Pat Young: they were a way of the Brigade reaching out and doing some soft diplomacy
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:49 PM - JerseyBart: Need to have fun and relieve stress, especially with so much suffering around.
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:50 PM - Pat Young: horse racing was always a big part of the celebration
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:50 PM - bdtex: The one after Fredericksburg improved morale
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:50 PM - Pat Young: But at least one year one of the racers was killed
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:51 PM - Pat Young: It also centered the Brigade as the lodestar for Irish in the army of the Potomac
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:51 PM - bdtex: Wish the video had mentioned their action at Cville. Been awhile since I read about Cville.
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:51 PM - Pat Young: Even if you were not in the Brigade, you would try to get invited to the celebration
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:51 PM - PeterT: Horse racing is big part of any Irish culture
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:52 PM - Pat Young: yes, particularly the breakneck steeple chases
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:52 PM - PeterT: She skipped Cville
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:52 PM - bdtex: Yeah
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:52 PM - JerseyBart: My Irish in laws LOVE horse racing...father in law works at a race track.
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:53 PM - Pat Young: Only the 88th NY suffered any significant casualties at Chancellorsville
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:53 PM - PeterT: It's one of my vices or hobbies ... depending who you ask
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:54 PM - bdtex: So Pat...after Gburg,they did not recruit to replenish the ranks of the Brigade?
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:55 PM - bdtex: 1st Manassas,a
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:55 PM - Pat Young: The 1863 celebration was interrupted by the Battle of Kellys Ford, BTW
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:56 PM - Pat Young: Meagher left the Brigade right before because he was not permitted to go to recruit more troops
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:56 PM - bdtex: Sharpsburg,Fburg,Cville and Gburg were it for the brigade.
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:57 PM - JerseyBart: Pretty big battles
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:57 PM - Pat Young: After Gettysburg and prior to the Wilderness they did add several hundred more men, but they never got up to decent strength again.
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:57 PM - JerseyBart: Lost nearly1000 men.
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:57 PM - bdtex: What happened to the survivors after Gburg? Absorbed by other regiments?
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:58 PM - bdtex: You posted as I was typing
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:59 PM - Pat Young: The Brigade continued on into 1864
Nov 14, 2016 at 9:59 PM - Pat Young: In fact, its triumph and destruction came at Spotsylvania
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:00 PM - bdtex: Were any awarded the MOH?
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:00 PM - Pat Young: It broke through at the Muleshoe
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:00 PM - JerseyBart: Do tell, please
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:00 PM - PeterT: I guess the mothers etc at home thought they might die for a different cause
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:00 PM - Pat Young: But it was essentially destroyed in the counterattack
 
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:01 PM - Pat Young: MOHs, yes, but Damian Shiels lists them on his Irish in the American Civil War site, so I would refer you there.
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:01 PM - bdtex: I hear that is a haunting place to visit.
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:01 PM - Pat Young: I was moved
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:02 PM - Pat Young: I had spent some time studying the color bearer of the 28th Nass
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:02 PM - Pat Young: Peter Welsh
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:02 PM - Pat Young: He was mortally wounded there.]
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:03 PM - bdtex: Ima just listen now. I am out of comments.
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:04 PM - bdtex: You guys have already taught me more than I knew.
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:05 PM - JerseyBart: Not me, I cannot take credit. It's Pat.
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:06 PM - Pat Young: Aww
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:07 PM - JerseyBart: What say we call it a night?
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:08 PM - bdtex: You did too JB. Mulholland and horse racing. You probed the leg ulcer too.
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:08 PM - Pat Young: Just wanted to post one thing more
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:08 PM - PeterT: Agree bdtex
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:08 PM - bdtex: Ok pat
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:08 PM - JerseyBart: Absolutely pat!
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:08 PM - Pat Young: Some folks think that the interest in the Brigade is modern
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:09 PM - bdtex: Tell us more
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:09 PM - Pat Young: But here is what Fox's said
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:09 PM - Pat Young: Fox's begins its Irish Brigade description by saying that the Irish Brigade is "the best known of any brigade organization, it having made an unsuaul reputation for dash and gallantry."
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:10 PM - Pat Young: So its special place is no modern invention.
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:10 PM - bdtex: It's bravery cannot be questioned
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:10 PM - Pat Young: I am off to sleep.
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:11 PM - Pat Young: Night folks
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:11 PM - JerseyBart: Thank you
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:11 PM - bdtex: G'nite. Thx all
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:11 PM - JerseyBart: Goodnight all
Nov 14, 2016 at 10:11 PM - PeterT: yes. Thanks everyone!
 
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