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Union Gulags---Reeducation Camps

Discussion in '"What if..." Discussions' started by 5fish, Apr 29, 2011.

  1. NedBaldwin

    NedBaldwin 1st Lieutenant

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    The law at the time was that President Pro Tem was next in line.
     

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  3. trice

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    Yep. Which is why Lafayette S. Foster of Connecticut, President Pro Tempore of the Senate would have come the President in 1865 if the Booth assassins had gotten him as well as Lincoln. Foster was defeated for a third term in 1866, which is why the post became vacant -- but Wade might have powered his way in anyway in 1867 if Foster had been elected. I think that law dated from 1792 or so.

    I haven't a clue what type of President Foster would have been -- and I doubt many other people did at the time.

    Tim
     
  4. trice

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    I think that is the 25th Amendment in about 1967.

    Tim
     
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    I did not realize that. Thanks.
     
  6. johan_steele

    johan_steele Lt. Colonel Retired Moderator

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    I've seen the comparison of the treatment of the NA to the South on many an occasion, I apologize for equating such schmucks w/ you.

    I'm more than a little cheesed of by the trolling by 5Fish, the whole thread was designed & IMO intended to push buttons; and it isn't the first. I aploigize for growling at you instead of the person who deserved it.

     
  7. dvrmte

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    No harm, no foul. I figured someone had teed you off. I honestly wasn't trying to set you off.

    It was a different time with different values. I just hate to see the Indian forgotten.

    dvrmte
     
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    I really think you shouold go and see someone.. a doctor perhaps
     
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    Pleasee tell me that in your first paragraph above, you are not trying to link Booth to the CSA. While certainly a sympathizer, there are no links that I know of between him and the governemnt or the army or the leaders, civil or Military.
     
  10. trice

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    What happened to the Native Americans was certainly harsh and heartless. It is nowhere near as unique as Churchill, Stannard, Stiffarm and Lane present it -- which is unfortunate. Without reaching too far, take a look at Ireland. Cromwell landed in 1640; by 1653 an estimated 600,000 of the estimated 1.4 million Irish were dead (not to mention those shipped off like cattle and those who simply fled; the Captain Blood story is based on those sent to places like Barbados to work as slaves.) The practice continued like that over the next 350 years or so. During one of the Potato Famines, a minister in the English Parliament pleaded "They are dying in the streets of Ireland!"; across the aisle someone shouted out "Good!"

    Not quite as large overall, of course. "Only" 40% of the population dead in 14 years. We can take a look at the slaughter in Burundi and such too, or Pol Pot in Cambodia, or the estimated 10,000,000 the British killed in India over a couple of centuries (probably too high), or what the Romans under Caesar did to the Helvetii and such, or ... what was it that happened to Carthage?

    That's not to minimize the horrible things that happened to Native Americans. It is only to point out that horrible things happened time and time again to lots of people in lots of places.
     
  11. dvrmte

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    To be honest it was the first source I ran into. I only used it because if I didn't, someone would ask for it. I don't know the author's credentials, but we all know that what they wrote is pretty close to the truth.

    Unprecedented? No. It is, along with slavery, our country's worse atrocity.
     
  12. trice

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    I think I'd agree -- but that 12 million estimated North Americans in 1500 would include Canada and Mexico and maybe Central America. Disease probably got most of them, and what Cortez and the boys did was a very sharp start. Don't blame it all on us.

    By chance, I grew up in a small town in NJ, where the Armenian Home stood across from the high school. There is a monument there to the 2,000,000 Armenians killed by the Turks from 1916-18 (their figure). I can still drive by it any day I want by changing my route from the house to the office. Or in towns around here you can usually find memorials to residents killed on 9/11: 5 in this town, six in that, maybe 8 or ten or a dozen over there. Lots of people get killed for stupid reasons.

    Tim
     
  13. dvrmte

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    Why did I post on this thread?:confused:
     
  14. ole

    ole Brev. Brig. Gen'l Retired Moderator

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    I won't be closing it anytime soon, but I will be closing it for being tripe.

    I am quite surprised that the old-timers haven't yet figured out the OP. He will grab onto anything to stir up most everyone -- really quite inventive when you think about it. Y'all bit and ought to be a little embarrassed to be in the boat instead of swimming freely looking for a meal that doesn't have a hook in it.
     
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    Of course, speaking for myself only here, but since this is a discussion board, some of us actually like to participate in the discussion, regardless of whatever motives might be behind the OP.
     
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    My own view is stupidity needs to be challenged when publically and proudly stated by those who find it "good" and "needful" especially 150 years after the fact.

    Shorter version.

    "You put it out there, don't be surprised when some one steps on it."

    Unionblue
     
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  17. trice

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    Sorry, I must be feeling grumpy.

    Tim
     
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    It is ironic that by killing Lincoln Booth made it far worse for his beloved South.
     
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    A "Let them up easy." was the better policy. But, if I were there at the time, I would probably have supported the executing Jeff Davis and hanging certain senior officers who resigned their commissions specifically to join the armed forces of the insurrection and fight for that insurrection
     
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    No need for an apology. I appreciate and value every post you make. I was aiming it at myself.

    I just feel stupid for ever posting on this thread. Shane and I exchanged a few blows, but we're okay now.

    I don't mind these sort of topics and rarely get upset by them. Others seem to let it get to them and lash out. That's when my trigger gets torqued.

    dvrmte
     
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    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Thanks ole.
     

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