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The Longstreet-Gettysburg Controversy

Discussion in 'Civil War History - General Discussion' started by Rebforever, Jan 6, 2017.

  1. Bee

    Bee 2nd Lieutenant

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    If General Greene had not built the breastworks as he had been so advised not to do, I do believe that that simple change would have rendered a very different outcome to the battle.
     
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  3. cash

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    Not if you add a brigade to the confederate attack on July 2.
     
  4. FZ11

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    So many suppositions. Lee doesn't need the Plumed One. Lee needs to tell the cavalry at hand no, matter their pedigree, to go see where the Federals are located.....The Federals were last seen at Frederick. Lol.
     
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    Enter Pop Greene keeping the wolf from the backdoor. That was quite a piece of soldiering he did on Culp's Hill.
     
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    If?
     
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  7. FZ11

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    Lots of different numbers out there.
     
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  8. cash

    cash Brev. Brig. Gen'l

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    Sorry, I depend on history, not on pulling stuff out of one's posterior.
     
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  9. Bee

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    Yup. You betcha: IF. Your posit has been that it was next to impossible for Culp's Hill to have fallen. My answer is that if one minor change had been made, it is quite possible for Culp's Hill to have fallen. The win was not assured.
     
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    Good discussion guys. Definitely an Ice Cream Eater.
     
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  11. FZ11

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    Yeah,I wish you would stop doing that. The facts are Lee should have sent cavalry to ascertain the Union position. This was a huge blunder by Lee.
     
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    Dream on.
     
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    @Yankeedave @FZ11 @cash you can post without being disrespectful or you can be threadbanned.
    Posted as moderator.
     
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    I'm talking the real history minus all the lost cause mythology
     
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    The war was being fought on more than one front. The confederacy was in a must act situation. If the Union was once more demoralized it would have certainly had its effect on the northern population and could have resulted in Ernest negotiations for peace.
     
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    Lee really needed a win in pa. He wouldn't have taken d.c. but to have forced the aop into it's would have been a gamebreaker.
     
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    It would really, really help if you quoted who you are responding to.
     
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    Stuart should have raided the wagons and left. Gathering supplies was part of lee's plan. So was for stuart to be off ewell's flank. Stuart should have seen the need to get moving. As lee said stuarts wagons were an impediment.
     
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    Where exactly did Lee tell Stuart that, other than in Killer Angels? As it turned out, that wagon train was vital in Lee's retreat from PA.
     
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    Stuart needed the fodder on those wagons and consequently the wagons carrying that fodder.

    The wagons were certainly not an impediment during the retreat.

    I'm not convinced Lee said what was claimed, but I am convinced people would be better off forgetting 98% of what Shelby Foote said in the Ken Burns series.
     
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    Very true, at least as far as Meade was concerned. His concerns over Culp's Hill, to me, explains to a very large extent, Meade's conduct of the battle.
     

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