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The Longstreet-Gettysburg Controversy

Discussion in 'Civil War History - General Discussion' started by Rebforever, Jan 6, 2017.

  1. leftyhunter

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    That very well may be true.
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    Lee's major premise is wrong. Lee thinks he is the Fox but actually,Lee is the the Rabbit. 75,000 men vs. 100,000 men fighting defensively on friendly territory. Can't turn out well for Lee from the GitGo.
     
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    Really, the recent history of the war says Lee had every reason to be confident.
     
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    The Pipe Creek Line is in Maryland.
     
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    It would be quite a different story to tell if Culp's Hill had fallen on the Second Day.
     
  7. Rebforever

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    You sure about those numbers?
     
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    Per Civilwartrust in round numbers it's 94k Union vs 72k Confederate. So a Confederate victory is possible but far from certain.
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    Who's recent history? But Lee was Overconfident,wasn't he?
     
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    Ballpark numbers. My point is Lee is significantly outnumbered.
     
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    My argument is that it's very difficult to beat an enemy deep in his own territory with no secure logistical support and is numerically superior. Not to say it is impossible but not easy.
    I am trying to understand how Lee almost succeeded. Even if the AoP abandons Gettysburg they can still inflct heavy casualties on the AnV unless they are thoroughly defeated. Again that is a very tall order.
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    Can't happen. Meade has interior lines more troops and artillery. See my post above re Lee's failure to take into account Meade's interior lines,ability to shift his troops,etc.
     
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    Actually per Wiki thats about right Union 104k present for duty vs 71 to 75k estimated Confederate.
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    Please review the information that I have presented on this thread Battle of Gettysburg: General George Sears Greene at Culp’s Hill. I cover the Battle at Culp's Hill in detail -- including how narrowly it was won.
     
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    The question postulated was, what if Lee had Stuart, or adequate cavalry reconnaissance. With that, the Stonewall Brigade is not used to probe the flank on Day 2 and is instead available for the assault on Culp's Hill. Culp's Hill probably falls, rendering Cemetery Hill untenable and forcing the AotP to retreat back to its supply base at Westminster, MD, and possibly to the Pipe Creek Line.
     
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    Well put, mate! :smile:
     
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    Per history.net 82k engaged Union troops vs 75k engaged Confederate soldiers. On the other hand support troops are kind of important. Unless the Union Army is truly defeated it can still inflct casualties on an army that can not easily replace casualties.
    Not to say our friends are wrong that Lee could not of pulled of a Hail Mary Pass but the odds were never good.
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    Lefty, I think The figure is closer to 94,000. Still out numbered though.
     
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    That's kind of the theme of every major conventional war if X would of zigged instead of zagged then X side would beat Y side. True a lot of Civil War battles could of gone either way. True Gettysburg could of gone either way but the odds favored the Union.
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    Civil War statistics on manpower are difficult. The Union may of had more support troops or units not in position. Troop estimates are always a bit controversial.
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