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The cravat

Discussion in 'Civil War Uniforms & Relics' started by major bill, Jan 10, 2017.

  1. major bill

    major bill Captain Forum Host

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    The term four-in-hand is of often seem in invitations, especally if military people are attending. For example " Dinner at 7 pm, dress is informal, suit and four-in -hand tie acceptable.

    This tells a gentleman he should wear a dinner jacket (ie. Tuxedo) with informal white shirt and black bow tie, but men without dinner jackets may attend but should wear a conservative business suit and necktie. No sport jackets allowed. It also tell women that dinner dresses can be worn, but tea dresses are acceptable. There has been a trend in the last 20 years to wear tea dress and save the dinner dress for semi formal affairs.
     
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    That picture of Joseph Sharp has to be my favourite, I really enjoy the photos where the men have their tools of the trade with them. I have no idea why they would be photographed with their work tools but I'm guessing it has something to do with making a statement about how well they are doing, not everyone could read or write so it may have been a good way of letting the folks back home know what you are doing for a living and that they are healthy and managing just fine.
     
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  4. Schwallanscher

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    yours is the class-less society, right?

    just from your pic i thought sth like uniform of the day (or is that navy only?)
     
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    there were times when we had blechkrawatte (=metal tie)
     
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    Yours truly at some event trying for the look
    Cub ScoutsEllmore (Seminole) Park.jpg
     
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    I attended a boarding school loosely based on your "public" school model and we had to wear a tie except on Saturdays. It was almost the last time I wore one. It does seem absurd to me to cling to a fashion fixed in one moment in time. I don't understand the message. "By jove, we've not changed in over a hundred years" ? Old money behaves in strange ways.
     
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    as to that blechkrawatte - it looked like this

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    the guy is adolf galand, btw
     
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  9. major bill

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    Officers and gentlemen and gentleladies are expected to attend informal functions. At most events the officer can wear mess dress, but some require civilian attire. The military term "informal dress" tells an officer it is mess dress or tuxedo and gentleladies wear female mess dress or dinner dresses or tea dress. .At officer school this was a four hour class just in case one's parents did not teach this.

    Proper manners are not class based.
     
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    Its to be expected of Eaton, its where the Royals attend school along with many Politicians. We used to call the Eaton boys Hooray Henry's, the lower years at Eaton have to look after the older boys, they basically end up in a servant role, the younger lads are known by the older boys as 'fags,' fags has a totally different meaning here in England.

    Fagging was a traditional practice in British boarding private schools (nearly all "public schools" in the English sense) and also many other boarding schools, whereby younger pupils were required to act as personal servants to the most senior boys. While domestic servants were common in family households, the custom reflected household task distribution and taught pupils about service from both ends of the relationship very much reminiscent of the relationship between squire and knight in the Middle Ages.


    Under school rules, fagging might entail harsh discipline and corporal punishment when those were standard practices.
    anyway, back to cravats.
     
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    Beautiful!!
    (sorry @Schwallanscher )
     
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    I must say, I like that. I don't know if I were up to it, the difference between a tea dress and a dinner dress escapes me (and where comes the cocktail) dress?) but I like the idea a lot. Nobody is forced to choose that career or attend these events, but if you play the game, you should follow the rules.
     
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    they are paid to fight not to be dressmen
     
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    I own and wear, bow ties, when the need for a tie arises. Generally I don't wear a dinner jacket, but my USAF "mess dress" equivalent, and tie my own. Like most Americans in our age, I'm a jeans and hunting shirt, dresser on a daily basis, but dressing for dinner, knowing how to tie cravat and bow tie, I still think important and approve of. Now, I pretty much only dress in coat-and-tie, for church, or social occasions. One of those things, I hate to see the passing of. Gee, guys wear sweatpants on airplanes these days. :cautious:

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    Not only is it useful instructing the young in proper dress and behaviour, it would alleviate all kinds of problems in our schools. IMHO though, a gentleman should know how to tie a Windsor knot...but never use it. Four-in-hand only, here.
     
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    Like those occupational photos on the previous page, I try to wear a cravat like that when portraying a working man in all but the hottest weather and isolated from all females. It's just too easy to slip into the modern mindset of what working people wear. I joke that I hold the record for walking the most miles on the C&O Canal towpath in a three-piece suit and tie. Once you get used to it, you hardly notice it.

    A truly practical thing that I miss in modern life in the summer is a wide-brimmed straw hat. It's just now allowable, at least where I live.

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    i do wear hats all year long, but i have to say the proper headware for sommer is this (and nothing else)
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    and please forget the cheap stuff. it's rediculuos - mine aren't stetsons, i buy them in austria


    btw, as to ties: i got a lot of them
     
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    I've gone all American, my headgear, I pretty much wear it all year round, to be honest though mine has got a little bit tatty. Its not as classy as a straw boater, its old and tatty just like me.

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    i do have a jb stetson, but that's one of these dan-blocker-memorial-pieces, and you don't have that many chances to wear it around here :furious:
     
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    You could wear that with a nice big Cravat, make a statement.
     
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    right now i'm wearing a bowler (dunn & co) and try to forget your basecap
     
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