1. Welcome to the CivilWarTalk, a forum for questions and discussions about the American Civil War! Become a member today for full access to all of our resources, it's fast, simple, and absolutely free!
Dismiss Notice
Join and Become a Patron at CivilWarTalk!
Support this site with a monthly or yearly subscription! Active Patrons get to browse the site Ad free!
START BY JOINING NOW!

The cravat

Discussion in 'Civil War Uniforms & Relics' started by major bill, Jan 10, 2017 at 8:52 PM.

  1. major bill

    major bill Captain Forum Host

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2012
    Messages:
    6,355
    carvat 2.jpg

    The cravat is often seen in Civil War photographs. The term cravat comes form the French word for Croat who started this trend. By the start of the Civil War the cravat was evolving in to the more modern bow tie. The basic difference was the cravat started at the front on the neck and both ends warped around the neck and was tied in front. Bow tie starts at the back of the neck and the ends tied in the front. They were worn in many forms during the Civil War. The term cravat is also used fro any Civil War bow tie.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Jan 11, 2017 at 9:20 AM

  2. (Membership has it privileges! To remove this ad: Register NOW!)
  3. major bill

    major bill Captain Forum Host

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2012
    Messages:
    6,355
    Civil War cravats were worn many differ ways.
    cravat 6.jpg
     
  4. major bill

    major bill Captain Forum Host

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2012
    Messages:
    6,355
    Another way to tie one.

    cravat 7.gif
     
  5. ucvrelics.com

    ucvrelics.com First Sergeant Forum Host

    Joined:
    May 7, 2016
    Messages:
    1,012
    Location:
    Alabama
    I try and avoid ties at ALL cost. I sure would not have worn one of these. If you see me with a tie on, I just came from a funeral.
     
  6. major bill

    major bill Captain Forum Host

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2012
    Messages:
    6,355
    The method of tying one's cravat was considered a fashion statement and the style changed over time. One way to tell the age of a photograph is to see how the man in a photograph tied his cravat. Older men often did not change to the new mode. Let us look at some pre Civil War modes of tying cravat.

    A. Long tails hanging down.
    b. Long tails hanging down, one over the other, the effect is like a modern four-in-hand tie.

    crav 9.jpg
     
  7. major bill

    major bill Captain Forum Host

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2012
    Messages:
    6,355
    Now we move closer to the Civil War. Some Civil War soldiers adopted a devil may care cravat in an attempt to show they were to busy fighting or did not care about fashion to spend time on tying their cravat. Of course they took the time to put on the cravat and were in truth trying very hard to look fashionable.

    E. Tails behind, with long tails (Note the tails could also be short)
    F. Tails tucked in bow in front with the tails also tucked in the rear of the knot. Kind of a double bow look.
    G. Tails in front of the bow.

    crav 10.jpg
     
  8. major bill

    major bill Captain Forum Host

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2012
    Messages:
    6,355
    Today were wear four-in-hand ties for the most part and most men rarely wear bow ties unless they wear dinner jackets. but were owe our habit of wearing ties back to the 1600s. There are books that show 100+ ways to tie your four-in-hand ties. I only tie my tie 3 ways. How many ways do you tie your tie?
     
    JohnW., Greyfalcon and Waterloo50 like this.
  9. AUG351

    AUG351 Captain Forum Host

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2012
    Messages:
    5,634
    Location:
    Texas
    I've heard people today wonder why they are all wearing "bow ties" in period photos, but these were the ties of the era; I don't think the modern style necktie came into fashion until the late 19th century. The cravat was not something a soldier would typically wear while in the field, but my understanding is that it was considered socially correct when in mixed company back home, sort of like a vest, and was a typical piece of civilian attire. Not always worn by working class men out in the field though.

    A few examples:

    Lt. Col. Benjamin Franklin Carter.jpg
    Lt. Col. Benjamin Franklin Carter of the 4th Texas Infantry.

    [​IMG]
    Unidentied Texas Confederate, ca. 1861.

    [​IMG]
    Missouri State Guard soldiers: Private S. W. Stone (left) of the California Guards and Private P. S. Alexander (right) of the Moniteau County Rangers.

    [​IMG]
    Jesse James

    [​IMG]
    Private Joshua W. Whaley, Co. G, 34th Alabama Infantry.

    [​IMG]
    Portrait of an unidentified University of Virginia student who joined the Southern Guard, a Confederate company formed in Charlottesville which became part of the 19th Virginia Volunteer Infantry Regiment, c. 1861.

    [​IMG]
    Sergeant John Emery

    Joseph Sharp, 1849 gold miner of Sharp’s Flats.jpg
    Joseph Sharp, 1849 gold miner of Sharp’s Flats.

    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2017 at 4:06 AM
  10. donna

    donna Brev. Brig. Gen'l Forum Host

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    20,176
    Location:
    Kentucky
    Very interesting. I think they are nice looking. Thanks for posting.
     
    JohnW. and Eleanor Rose like this.
  11. Chattahooch33

    Chattahooch33 Sergeant Major Forum Host Civil War Photo Contest
    Annual Winner

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2013
    Messages:
    1,863
    Location:
    Cobb's Legion Country - Bowdon, Ga.
    One thing I remember reading in terms of the "messy" look that was desired was that one side was supposed to be bigger and stick out a little more that the other.
     
    JohnW. likes this.
  12. Schwallanscher

    Schwallanscher First Sergeant

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2016
    Messages:
    1,316
    Location:
    berlin
    the german word krawatte means this

    [​IMG]
     
  13. FarawayFriend

    FarawayFriend Captain Silver Patron Trivia Game Winner

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2013
    Messages:
    6,068
    Location:
    Hannover, Germany
    Isn't that most amazing?! I learned it last spring when I was in Dubrovnik, Croatia.
    The Croatian mercenaries, who were extremely brave, brought that word to France in 1660. Their word for their bandanna worn around the neck was "hravatska" and it became fashionable to imitate these brave and dashing warriors and their habits. So this was the hour of birth for the cravat.
     
    JohnW. and Waterloo50 like this.
  14. major bill

    major bill Captain Forum Host

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2012
    Messages:
    6,355
    Here in the U.S. that is a four-in-hand tie often shortened to tie.
     
  15. Schwallanscher

    Schwallanscher First Sergeant

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2016
    Messages:
    1,316
    Location:
    berlin
    i never heard four-in-hand tie - just tie
     
    JohnW. likes this.
  16. Legion Para

    Legion Para 2nd Lieutenant Forum Host

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2015
    Messages:
    3,392
  17. John Winn

    John Winn Captain

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2014
    Messages:
    5,145
    Location:
    State of Jefferson
    I don't even own a tie (haven't in decades). If a place or an event requires a tie then it's out of consideration.

    Not having to wear a tie or a suit was actually a big consideration when I decided on a career path. I ended up in a blue jeans profession where a nice shirt if in the office was all you needed.
     
    JohnW. likes this.
  18. Schwallanscher

    Schwallanscher First Sergeant

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2016
    Messages:
    1,316
    Location:
    berlin
    your avatar wears one
     
    JohnW. likes this.
  19. John Winn

    John Winn Captain

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2014
    Messages:
    5,145
    Location:
    State of Jefferson
    He did indeed but I don't feel compelled to do something just because my great grandfather did 130 years ago.
     
  20. Waterloo50

    Waterloo50 Captain Silver Patron

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2015
    Messages:
    5,434
    Location:
    England
    A school tie is a compulsory piece of school uniform for secondary schools in England, when I was at school, they insisted that our ties were knotted using the Windsor Knot. The posh schools like Eaton and Harrow insist that the pupils wear either a bowtie or a white tie. Can you believe that this is the current Eaton Uniform, its like something out of Hogwarts. The uniform hasn't changed since the 1800s.
    [​IMG]
     
    Greyfalcon likes this.
  21. Schwallanscher

    Schwallanscher First Sergeant

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2016
    Messages:
    1,316
    Location:
    berlin
    nor has their pupils' grasp of the world
     
    Waterloo50 likes this.

(Membership has it privileges! To remove this ad: Register NOW!)
Loading...
Similar Threads Forum Date
cravats The Ladies Tea Sep 11, 2011

Share This Page