- Joined
- Jun 24, 2011
- Location
- Middle Tennessee
The South did fight in WWI, WWII, Korea and was in the National Guard of Louisiana and Mississippi until 1968. They were known as the famous Dixie Division.
WW2 being the most interesting because I could see a natural alliance between the CSA and Nazi Germany because of the racial viewpoints they both shared.
... could well have changed the outcome of that war and made the rise of someone like Hitler unlikely.
Whatever side the U.S. wasn't on would be my guess. Had the Confederacy won their rebellion I doubt that it would have been the last war between the two. There would have been a natural tendency to locate allies in Europe. One country would have been on Germany's side in WWI and the other would have been on the Allies.
Right, and well known anti-Semites could've pitched in. Henry Ford might have moved his factories from Michigan down South to build tanks and trucks. Charles Lindbergh, native of Michigan and resident of New Jersey, could have organized the Air Force. View attachment 3799
Uh......sometimes, with all due respect, the "What if" thing becomes so wildly improbably even I can't imagine the possibilities. Sorry. I guess I'm just not very imaginative today.
Wow man that opens up an entire other can of worms I never thought of! If the animosity between the 2 countries was still too much to get over so they joined different sides? Now WW1 is being fought in North America in a second war between the CS and the US! WW1 in Europe is never affected because the US has enough on its plate trying to fend off the CS. It ends up jsut being a second civil war on the western front. a Maginot line between DC and Richmond! Yikes!
The American Bund was in the North.It is an uneasy peace with North but yes trade has resumed, yes the institution still exists but technology has reduced its scope. The U.S. gets Hawaii and the rest of the pacific territories it had. The CSA gets some territory in the Caribbean and Central America.
I know this is all a long shot but I had always wondered how events in history would have been different had the ACW turned out differently. WW2 being the most interesting because I could see a natural alliance between the CSA and Nazi Germany because of the racial viewpoints they both shared.
The American Bund was in the North.
I am kidda freaking out here. I realize this is a "what if" but many of the posts here appear to assume that chattel black slavery would have survived in the South into the 20th century. That notion goes against the whole thrust of Western Civilization and the course it took. A slave holding South would have been an outcast, as they already were by the mid-19th century in the view of many nations even by that time. NO WAY slavery remains a viable economic institution as the 20th century unfolds....nor a morally defensible one. I think re-unification would have eventually happened.
Can you think of a country that having won its independence then later voluntarily rejoined the former mother country? There probably have been some, but I can’t think of one off hand.
“We cannot hope to preserve our traditions, our beliefs, and our symbols -- we cannot hope to survive as a people, if we do not know, if we do not remember who we are and what defines us as a people.”
Professor Melvin E. Bradford
I mean like wow man, since I see slavery as the only real reason for the split,,, once it is dead and gone what's to stop us from getting back together?
That's like saying why didn't the U.S. rejoin Great Britain once that whole tax thing was settled? Two countries born out of a prolonged and bloody rebellion, with the losing side hating the winning side? Where is the incentive to rejoin after that?
That's like saying why didn't the U.S. rejoin Great Britain once that whole tax thing was settled? Two countries born out of a prolonged and bloody rebellion, with the losing side hating the winning side? Where is the incentive to rejoin after that?
I KNOW there are folks out there who feel that what I am saying would have been a distinct possibilty. Seems a long time ago this same topic came up and several felt re-unification just might possibly have occured eventually. Where are they? By the way the analogy between us and Great Britian dont hold water. Very different situations which I may address later. It was NOT just taxes. In part it was also the whole Enlightenment thingee which our Founding Fathers (and Mothers) were into big time. Yes indeed. Read Thomas Paine and that nut named Jefferson.I can scarcely believe that I agree with KeyserSoze on something. Now, if I can only get over the Sherman – the ambassador of good will thing, perhaps I will, in time, agree with some of his other devotees.
"It's been said that I should apply to the United States for a pardon, but repentance must precede the right of pardon, and I have not repented."
Jefferson Davis
I respect your view but ya dont fire first to protect an instituton that most by that time felt to be barbaric and whose time (morally) had run it's course. When you do that you tend to start wars and get people like Sherman. It happens.I can scarcely believe that I agree with KeyserSoze on something. Now, if I can only get over the Sherman – the ambassador of good will thing, perhaps I will, in time, agree with some of his other devotees.
"It's been said that I should apply to the United States for a pardon, but repentance must precede the right of pardon, and I have not repented."
Jefferson Davis