Trivia Game # 52 - Week 3

[hoosier]

You’ve presented plenty of evidence that there was a grandson of John Tyler named Robert Tyler Jones who carried his regiment’s colors in Pickett’s Charge. My contention is that my source indicates there must have been a second grandson, named Bob Tyler, involved in the same charge, who performed exactly the sort of flag-bearing heroics described in question 3.


"there must have been a second grandson, named Bob Tyler, involved in the same charge, who performed exactly the sort of flag-bearing heroics described"

I infer that you are suggesting that two unique grandsons of President Tyler both "performed exactly the sort of flag-bearing heroics described in question 3."

I would expect this to be an extraordinarily unusual coincidence ("Robert Tyler Jones falling, passed the colors to his cousin Bob Tyler".) Now THAT would have been a great story, which we presumably would have heard of.

Now I did find at least one, maybe two, references to one "Bob Tyler" as being that flag bearer, I came to the conclusion, in light of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary , that those references must have be informal references ("Bob" vs. "Robert"), or just inaccurate.

I guess I should have just also included this genealogy of President Tyler which indicates one Robert Tyler Jones (1843 - 1895), grandson of president Tyler., and also one other grandson named Robert (Bob?) Tyler (1857-1937) who would have been 6 years old at Gettysburg.

Case closed.

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[samgrant]

Sorry I mistakenly edited Hoosier's post while attempting to reply to it. (Doh!) I have PMed him to repost his concerns, if he wishes. I do think I did capture the essence of his appeal, however. Sorry H.

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[quote=hoosier;85213]You’ve presented plenty of evidence that there was a grandson of John Tyler named Robert Tyler Jones who carried his regiment’s colors in Pickett’s Charge. My contention is that my source indicates there must have been a second grandson, named Bob Tyler, involved in the same charge, who performed exactly the sort of flag-bearing heroics described in question 3.

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"there must have been a second grandson, named Bob Tyler, involved in the same charge, who performed exactly the sort of flag-bearing heroics described"

I infer that you are suggesting that two unique grandsons of President Tyler both "performed exactly the sort of flag-bearing heroics described in question 3."

I would expect this to be an extraordinarily unusual coincidence ("Robert Tyler Jones falling, passed the colors to his cousin Bob Tyler".?) Now THAT would have been a great story, which we presumably would have heard of.

Now I did find at least one, maybe two, references to one "Bob Tyler" as being that flag bearer, I came to the conclusion, in light of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary , that those references must have be informal references , or just inaccurate.

I guess I should have just also included this genealogy of President Tyler which indicates one Robert Tyler Jones (1843 - 1895), grandson of president Tyler., and also one other grandson named Robert (Bob?) Tyler (1857-1937) who would have been 6 years old at Gettysburg.

http://www.sherwoodforest.org/Genealogy.html

Case closed. (?)

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[hoosier]

Just in case anyone cares, my answer came as a result of a Google search based on “grandson of John Tyler Pickett’s Charge.” The reference to Bob Tyler can be found at:
http://gscoverco.com/Newspaper%20Ots...an%20Bates.htm


The part that refers to Bob Tyler can be found about halfway down the page. It reads as follows.
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The rebel General Armistead with about four hundred of his men break the Union lines at the point where Cushing had his cannon. Here, and now is hot work for a few moments. No orders are needed. Every man realizes the situation and a grand rush is made to retake the captured line. A half a dozen regiments from Hall's, Harrow's and Webb's brigades, all mixed together, are in a hand to hand fight with Armistead's followers.
When Lieut. Cushing fell, a rebel lieutenant jumped upon the cannon and cheering his men on with an exultant cry of victory, fell pierced with a dozen bullets. Bob Tyler, a grandson of ex-President John Tyler, was shot as he planted a stand of rebel colors inside the Union lines. He was a favorite in his regiment and when the lines were forming for the charge, Gen. Armistead, riding along the front said to him: "Bob, do you see that stone wall over yonder?"
"Yes, general," was the reply.
"Well, Bob. I want you to plant your colors (he was the flag bearer) on that wall."
"I'll do it, general, or die," was the plucky answer, and he did both.
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My appeal was based not on the idea that Robert Tyler Jones might have passed a flag on to Bob Tyler, but that the two of them carried two different flags.

However, in light of the genealogical evidence that John Tyler’s grandson Robert Tyler was entirely too young to have participated in Pickett’s Charge, it is apparent that there was only one grandson who actually participated in the charge and the author of the article misstated his name.

In further light of the evidence that Robert Tyler Jones lived until 1895, it also seems that the final sentence, indicating that the subject died in the charge, indicates that the author was not one to let the facts get in the way of trying to make a good story better.

If I come across any more articles from the Otsego Republican in the future, I shall view them with an extremely jaundiced eye.

[samgrant]

Originally Posted by hoosier

Just in case anyone cares, my answer came as a result of a Google search based on “grandson of John Tyler Pickett’s Charge.” The reference to Bob Tyler can be found at:
http://gscoverco.com/Newspaper%20Ots...an%20Bates.htm


The part that refers to Bob Tyler can be found about halfway down the page. It reads as follows.
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The rebel General Armistead with about four hundred of his men break the Union lines at the point where Cushing had his cannon. Here, and now is hot work for a few moments. No orders are needed. Every man realizes the situation and a grand rush is made to retake the captured line. A half a dozen regiments from Hall's, Harrow's and Webb's brigades, all mixed together, are in a hand to hand fight with Armistead's followers.
When Lieut. Cushing fell, a rebel lieutenant jumped upon the cannon and cheering his men on with an exultant cry of victory, fell pierced with a dozen bullets. Bob Tyler, a grandson of ex-President John Tyler, was shot as he planted a stand of rebel colors inside the Union lines. He was a favorite in his regiment and when the lines were forming for the charge, Gen. Armistead, riding along the front said to him: "Bob, do you see that stone wall over yonder?"
"Yes, general," was the reply.
"Well, Bob. I want you to plant your colors (he was the flag bearer) on that wall."
"I'll do it, general, or die," was the plucky answer, and he did both.
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My appeal was based not on the idea that Robert Tyler Jones might have passed a flag on to Bob Tyler, but that the two of them carried two different flags.

However, in light of the genealogical evidence that John Tyler’s grandson Robert Tyler was entirely too young to have participated in Pickett’s Charge, it is apparent that there was only one grandson who actually participated in the charge and the author of the article misstated his name.

In further light of the evidence that Robert Tyler Jones lived until 1895, it also seems that the final sentence, indicating that the subject died in the charge, indicates that the author was not one to let the facts get in the way of trying to make a good story better.

If I come across any more articles from the Otsego Republican in the future, I shall view them with an extremely jaundiced eye.

Hoosier,

I also saw that article while preparing my questions, but discounted it, in the light of all the other evidence, as being, perhaps, a colloquial reference. Thanks for posting that link which I had somehow deleted.

This is a good example of why players (and moderators) should not rely on a single source for thier answers. In fact there are some good questions I'd like to use, but have not because I can only find only a single online source.

Interestingly (or not), tho most sources say Jones was a Private, I saw a few that claimed that he was a Sergeant.


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