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Old 01-30-2007, 12:01 AM
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Just wondered how you all Reenactors thought about this book?

In the whole?

And on specifics, such as the perported discrimination against '****s', etc.

And curious as to how many folks attempt to be reenactors, but find it too grueling/time consuming, whatever, to continue with it.

I'd imagine if one were from an area where battles were fought (especially Virginia area) this would be more attractive to folks than say, for folks from Chicago or Sheboygan.

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Old 01-30-2007, 01:19 AM
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Sam, I got a big kick out of Confederates in the Attic, but I have a Zou-sized sense of humor anyway.

You have your hardcore reenactors anywhere, yea, even in the Great Northwest. The sad thing for them is, they all go home in cars and trucks just like we lesser mortals of the not so expensive kits do.

Some people get into it and find it's too much of an outlay of time and money. Some people reenact for decades, because it fills a need they have.

I've been told I have no right to reenact, since I live in the West. Wellll, people in my area have as much need of education as people in the East.... some even more!!

Jumping off the soap box now...
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Old 01-30-2007, 09:47 AM
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I've been told I have no right to reenact, since I live in the West. Wellll, people in my area have as much need of education as people in the East.... some even more!!

Jumping off the soap box now...
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Zou; Whoever told you such was full of... crock.

SamGrant; I didn't care for the book and know a lot of people who have gotten into re-enacting only to drop out due to a variety of things to include life changes. I have been in & out of the re-enacting field for most of 10 years and have a current recruited by list behind my name that is longer than the rosters of many re-enacting groups and of that list only two have dropped out.

"Far be it from me's to criticique his impression" are a drain and a probllem for the hobby and the Living Historian. As a simple example when the uneducated or educated public is presented with a CS Cav man (w/out a horse) who sports five pistols and a Hawkens Plains rifle and then begins to spout Neo CS claptrap (which in his defence he was simply repeating) and proves to one and all that he knows less about the ACW than those who have read a coloring book on the subject.

THere is a noted lack of interest in imporving... that is what chews up many of the C/P/H movement towards the lower end of the mainstream of the hobby. That said there are many of the mainstream side which are every bit as good in drill & impression as any of the C/P/H crowd but due to the lack of authenticity in their uniforms would not pass muster w/ the C/P/H.

That said there are those who claim to be of the C/P/H crowd who are as bad as the worst of the lower tiers of the hobby but they just have a more expensive kit and higher quality kit.

As an example most of my kit would pass muster at any C/P/H event (I won't take the modern markings off my replica rifles as I see that as counterfit) but my drill is not up to par. Why? I primarily concentrate on small Living Histories for schools (about 4000 kids a year) and I don't do enough drill to stay profecient. Others in my units are the other way around; far more accomplished at drill w/out the research put into impression or proper gear.

THe cost of gear is dramatic. You can pick up a just getting into the hobby uniform for about $250... the quality is almost criminal and IMHO will not consistantly pass the 10 yard test when set next to even the low end C/P/H gear.

As an example $70 will buy you a pair of cheap trousers. $85 will get you a pair from Stony Brook which are the right material weight, cut and construction and made in the US... $15 difference.

$70 will get a cheap Sack Coat; $100 for a nice Authentic Sack from the Campaigner Corner of the Regimental QM. THe difference in quality is instantly noticeable, weight of material, qualityof material & construction etc... $25 dollar difference. And it isn't mass produced in India.

THere are both good and bad aspects of the C/P/H side of the hobby... just like in any other hobby.
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Old 07-27-2008, 12:31 PM
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OK, I give up. What does C/H/P stand for, and what does it mean?

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Stab in the dark - campaigner/progressive/hardcore?
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Old 07-27-2008, 06:24 PM
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Sam,

I actually had the fortune of meeting the man who the author wrote about. He no longer reenacts per se, but you will always see him at the Virginia reeneactments with his camera, taking some excellent pictures. The group I was with there was pretty hardcore, and he liked our look so he camped with us and follwed us around during the 140th Cedar Crreek. Pretty nice guy. I read the book before I meet him and did enjoy it. I like to think I could fall in with those guys and actually fit in

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I discriminate against farbs sorry to say. But if we are trying to teach the people the history, we aren't doing them any favors if we don't present ourselves in an accurate manner. Now, that being said, it is a very enjoyable hobby, and not everybody's pockets are deep... but you should do your best to play the part. I've seen my fair share of purple and sky blue sack coats... ughhh.
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Old 07-27-2008, 10:03 PM
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Stab in the dark - campaigner/progressive/hardcore?
OK, what does "campaigner/progressive/hardcore" mean?

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Old 07-27-2008, 10:23 PM
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It's a self styled labelling of levels of dedication or standards w/in the hobby.

Some would use the following:

Cowboys
Farbs
Mainstreamers
Progressive/Campaigners
Hardcores/Authentics

IMO any kind of ranking is rather subjective. Though I think most would agree the C/P/H side of the hobby would be the higher end... certainly the most elite. I've seen absolutely outstanding Mainstream impressions and kits hideous Hardcore/Authentic impressions w/ beautiful kits.

I don't know if that makes sense or not...
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Interesting to see that in this hobby people get as finicky and into pigeonholing people as in any other. Once I got into an argument with a reenactor because I called his costume a costume, he insisted it was "period clothing". A rose by any name.......

I thought Confederates in the Attic was very interesting and more for the writer's insights on southern politics and society than his insights into reenactors.

On youtube you can watch Polish, Ukrainian and Russian medieval reenactors going at it hammer and tongs; I think these guys like hammering the bejeezus out of each other, hilarious.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7X4mjz1j_eE&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hDoj5ZZHF...eature=related

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Old 07-27-2008, 11:07 PM
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Clear as mud. Thak you!

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