__________________ "I want to bury myself in a den of books. I want to saturate myself with the elements of which they are made and breathe their atmosphere until I am of it."
--Lew Wallace, 1885
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
Proof positive (as if proof were needed) that some people learn nothing!!
__________________ 'It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag'
Are they jackasses for believing that Vermont's interests would be best served by leaving the Union? Or jackasses because they put Vermont's perceived interests before those of the nation as a whole?
As a bemused foreigner, I just don't understand the hostility which this issue continues to generate. Many people in Scotland want to leave the U.K., and I find that I don't resent them in the slightest. Good luck to them, if that's how they feel. Why don't you view these Vermonters in the same way? I really don't understand.
Are they jackasses for believing that Vermont's interests would be best served by leaving the Union? Or jackasses because they put Vermont's perceived interests before those of the nation as a whole?
As a bemused foreigner, I just don't understand the hostility which this issue continues to generate. Many people in Scotland want to leave the U.K., and I find that I don't resent them in the slightest. Good luck to them, if that's how they feel. Why don't you view these Vermonters in the same way? I really don't understand.
Bill, I must confess that's approximately how I feel too. Also I wonder if you, hoosier, mean they're jackasses because it's probably a Don Quixote type dream, or because they, most likely being descendants of Union soldiers themselves, are foolish because they're possibly dishonoring their ancestors. Or do you consider them jackasses because their departure would be harmful and inciting to the rest of the states?
Are they jackasses for believing that Vermont's interests would be best served by leaving the Union? Or jackasses because they put Vermont's perceived interests before those of the nation as a whole?
As a bemused foreigner, I just don't understand the hostility which this issue continues to generate. Many people in Scotland want to leave the U.K., and I find that I don't resent them in the slightest. Good luck to them, if that's how they feel. Why don't you view these Vermonters in the same way? I really don't understand.
hiya bill, they are jackasses on both counts, and a few more for good measure (among them those listed by sockknitter)!!
As a bemused foreigner and not understanding the hostility, etc, etc, when has that ever stopped you from having a jolly old ripping good time at the expense of us benighted yanks?? Your feelings about secession minded Scots are honorable and respectful, good for you, all fine and dandy. And if you resented the Scott's atitude? That'd be fine and dandy too.
__________________ 'It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag'
Bill,
With all due respect, there is great difference in two situations.
Scotland suffered centuries of English interference before earning its freedom at Bannockburn for 4 centuries before that coerced Act of Union of 1707. Vermont is already as free as possible short of being its own country. Vermont voluntarily joined the union, no one stuck a gun to it's citizens heads to force them in.
Respectfully,
Matt
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