In that day, all the clothing was made out of wool, cotton and flax. Leather was tanned in a big trough, for shoes and moccasins; nails, hinges, and all tools were made in blacksmith shops. At one time, William Bourne, when he was a member of the Legislature in Richmond, went down in a wagon loaded with fur skins and sold them. A negro woman and little girl were put on the block for sale; he bought them, paid for them and sent them back home in the wagon. The woman's name was Granny Beck. The girl's name was Aimy. I have heard Aimy say that she and her mother were sent for one evening to go and stay all night with a woman. Sometime after dark, someone came to the door and called. This woman told her to open the door; she did so, and two men came in a caught her and her mother, tied cloths over their mouths, carried them off and put them in a ship, and brought them over the ocean. They came from Africa and proved to be very valuable servants.
Granny Beck, after she came here, took charge of the cattle and stock out on the range; salted and looked after them. She could not count the number, but if one of them was missing she could tell it. She would describe its color or its size, etc., and would hunt until she found it.
__________________ Ancestors in US Army: 13th TN Cav; 10th TN Cav; 3rd NC Inf
Ancestors in CSA Army: 48th VA; 63rd VA, 5th NC Cav; 37th NC
Wife and Grandson's CSA: 15th AL, 51st GA, 41st TN; 36th TN; GA Mil 1197 Dist
Aimy was the house girl, waited on her master and mistress as long as they lived, and was very much attached to all the family.
William Bourne, in his last will stated that 'Aimy has been a faithful, good servant, and has raised for me 18 children. She is not to be sold or taken in, in the divide.' With his children, she would be free to go where she pleased."
If you've read this far, you'll notice that William Bourne, like most southern landowners, didn't really set anyone free. That ain't good, but it's the way it was. This is historical fact, not fiction. My point in all this is simply to offer the fact that not all was bad on the farm, even to the slave. The civil war in many respects was like this. What we develop as a notion in our brains, wasn't necessarily the way it was. These mountain folks when the war came a couple of generations later, didn't fight to preserve slavery, it was already on it's way out. Thank God for small favors.
__________________ Ancestors in US Army: 13th TN Cav; 10th TN Cav; 3rd NC Inf
Ancestors in CSA Army: 48th VA; 63rd VA, 5th NC Cav; 37th NC
Wife and Grandson's CSA: 15th AL, 51st GA, 41st TN; 36th TN; GA Mil 1197 Dist
Aimy was the house girl, waited on her master and mistress as long as they lived, and was very much attached to all the family.
William Bourne, in his last will stated that 'Aimy has been a faithful, good servant, and has raised for me 18 children. She is not to be sold or taken in, in the divide.' With his children, she would be free to go where she pleased."
If you've read this far, you'll notice that William Bourne, like most southern landowners, didn't really set anyone free. That ain't good, but it's the way it was. This is historical fact, not fiction. My point in all this is simply to offer the fact that not all was bad on the farm, even to the slave. The civil war in many respects was like this. What we develop as a notion in our brains, wasn't necessarily the way it was. These mountain folks when the war came a couple of generations later, didn't fight to preserve slavery, it was already on it's way out. Thank God for small favors.
"My point in all this is simply to offer the fact that not all was bad on the farm, even to the slave."
"As bad as it might have been, the black folks who came to America were perhaps in some cases not much worse off than they had been in Africa in terms of shelter and learning a new culture."
"To be free you have to have a sense of not being free."
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
Let's be clear here: you have been shown time after time that this is false. You have no excuse for making this blatantly false statement.
Tim
Check the definition of INVASION.
__________________ POWER & MONEY
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
I did that long ago. I see nothing that supports your claim. Please explain what you mean by this in relation to the start of the war. Or simply admit that you are wrong. Either will be acceptable.
Tim
__________________ "Let us, then, consider all attempts to weaken this Union, by maintaining that each state is separately and individually independent, as a species of political heresy, which can never benefit us, but may bring on us the most serious distresses."
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina, 1740-1824, Revolutionary War soldier, one of the authors of the US Constitution in 1787, speaking at the South Carolina Ratifying Convention in 1788.
I did that long ago. I see nothing that supports your claim. Please explain what you mean by this in relation to the start of the war. Or simply admit that you are wrong. Either will be acceptable.
Tim
Dictionary.com
* an act or instance of invading or entering as an enemy, esp. by an army.
Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary
* an entering into a territory with hostile intention
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That's definitely how the South viewed the actions of the Federal gov't.
__________________ POWER & MONEY
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
* an act or instance of invading or entering as an enemy, esp. by an army.
Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary
* an entering into a territory with hostile intention
*******
That's definitely how the South viewed the actions of the Federal gov't.
So? None of this appears to apply to what you are claiming. Please explain yourself further and give us a detailed description of the events.
Tim
__________________ "Let us, then, consider all attempts to weaken this Union, by maintaining that each state is separately and individually independent, as a species of political heresy, which can never benefit us, but may bring on us the most serious distresses."
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina, 1740-1824, Revolutionary War soldier, one of the authors of the US Constitution in 1787, speaking at the South Carolina Ratifying Convention in 1788.
So? None of this appears to apply to what you are claiming. Please explain yourself further and give us a detailed description of the events.
Tim
* Star of the West
* Fox Expedition
(already been cussed and discussed in great detail)
__________________ POWER & MONEY
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
(already been cussed and discussed in great detail)
Yes, already discussed in great detail. Neither one qualifies as the start of the war, as you know. Please explain what you mean.
Tim
__________________ "Let us, then, consider all attempts to weaken this Union, by maintaining that each state is separately and individually independent, as a species of political heresy, which can never benefit us, but may bring on us the most serious distresses."
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina, 1740-1824, Revolutionary War soldier, one of the authors of the US Constitution in 1787, speaking at the South Carolina Ratifying Convention in 1788.
"My point in all this is simply to offer the fact that not all was bad on the farm, even to the slave."
"As bad as it might have been, the black folks who came to America were perhaps in some cases not much worse off than they had been in Africa in terms of shelter and learning a new culture."
"To be free you have to have a sense of not being free."
Unionblue
Larry,
I clipped the above quotes from your posts above so that I could reread them and give some thought to them.
They come across as excuses, not reasons.
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
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