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Old 10-08-2003, 11:44 PM
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I found this....not sure if it is real or not nor what it is worth.


http://www.federationofstates.org/davisinterview.htm
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Old 10-14-2003, 12:15 AM
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Tommy,

I am sure you are aware that this supposed document is on a Southern Independence web site and is somewhat suspect.

I for one, take it as wistful thinking on some poor neo-confederates part. I checked on my search engine for 'Colonel Jaques' and 'J.R. Gilmore' and could find nothing to compare to the 'interview'.

On the other hand, I have found references to the English newspaper, "The Globe and Traveller" and indications it continued to exist before and long after the date indicated by the supposed article (Sept. 2, 1864). But the whole article sounds too contrived, but may have been a story or fiction to illustrate some point the paper was trying to make. But on the whole, it's seems a bit fantastic to have been a true event, at least in my own opinion.

Seems like much ado about nothing, my old friend.

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Old 10-14-2003, 12:58 AM
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The Globe and Traveller was a major London newspaper of the period, had been a major player since the Globe bought out the Traveler in 1822. I found many references through about 1870.

Colonel Jaques is found to be the Colonel of the 73rd Illinois. He is mentioned in the poem "The boy of Chickamauga" http://www.edinborough.com/Life/Soci...hickamauga.pdf (Actually the boy was the Colonels son)

J.R. Gilmore was publisher of "The Continental Monthly" and his publication credits seem to end in June 1864 which would be concurrent with him being in the stated meeting.

While this does not, of course, prove the meeting took place. It does provide some evidence of authenticity. Albeit weak evidence.

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Old 10-14-2003, 01:10 AM
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Tommy & Ray,

I am going to have to eat my words in my first post and take back that this article may have been faked.

I checked out the American Memory site and found under Nineteenth Century in Print: Periodicals The following.

'Our Visit to Richmond. [The Atlantic monthly./Volume 14, Issue 83, September 1864] and it can be found at the following web site:

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/.../~ammem_am6L::

Just goes to show that even a source you don't like or trust, may bear a second look. And I am not talking about you, Tommy, but the site you found with the original article!

Even old dogs, have to keep in shape for some new tricks, eh?

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Old 10-14-2003, 03:04 AM
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Neil,

I said I had no idea of it's validity. I had no reason to doubt it but I had not verified it. (Often I will present seemingly dubious info that I have indeed researched so that it is like chum to a shark and when folks rush in for the kill I can set the hook, this is a perfectly legal debating technique but if I am honestly not sure I try to say so if I remember to)

I did not find it on a neo confederate site. In fact I'm not sure where it come from. It just popped up on my search engine while I was searching for England's "official" recognizing the Confederacy as a Belligerent Status. Since it was new to me and first hand account I thought I’d pass it on.

I should thank you all for verifying it as real. Thanks.

I did not find it very flattering of Davis myself.

I hope your vacation was every bit as pleasant as you could have dream of.

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Old 10-15-2003, 01:04 AM
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Tommy,

You may have not found the interview at the neo-=confederate site I mentioned, but it is where the interview is 'based'.

On another matter, were you aware that Jeff Davis expelled the British consuls who remained in the South in Oct., 1863?

Plus, here is an interesting site with a British point of view of why the Confederacy was not recognized by England during the Civil War. The section of the site is entitled, "Recognition-Why Should We?"

http://www.colfremantle.com/recognition.html

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