If y'all don't like Dixie, Delta is ready By: Lewis Grizzard

Just to throw in my two cents worth, I also feel that the Confederacy was a nation. I haven't read where a nation has to be recognized by other nations to be one. Also John Slidell and James M. Mason ( the Trent Affair) were sent to England to represent the Confederacy. Kind of sounds like recognition to me. I'am sure many of the Confederate leaders looked upon the Confederacy as a nation, and at least one member of the Union. Sherman wrote in his memoirs while he was fighting somewhere in the south, that he sure would be glad to get out of this nation.

Charlie

[thea_447]

http://www.heraldsun.com/state/6-486801.html
MINISTER ASKS SCHOOL TO DROP "REBEL" NICKNAME

The Associated Press
Jun 2, 2004 : 10:06 am ET

Albemarle -- A Stanly County minister is asking a local high school
to drop the last vestiges of a controversial mascot, saying he may go
to court if the school doesn't make the change.

South Stanly High School has painted over the stars and bars and rid
itself of its controversial Rebel mascot. However, the word "Rebel"
remains posted at the school's football stadium.

A cheerleader says the word defines them. But pastor Cecil Raysor
says the word should be committed to history and not cheers. He
received a standing ovation at Tuesday's school board meeting after
telling the board that the word means segregation and white
supremacy.

The school's principal says he hopes to have a decision by the start
of the school year.

A similar situation, happened in upper South Carolina a few years ago. I think it was close to Spartanburg. The ball teams, called themselves "Rebels" Finally an ordeal came up about the name, along with the school logo, which was a small rebel soldier. The school was forced into electing a new name and mascot for their teams.

[felinelady]

They have been trying for years now to make the University of Mississippi (Ole Miss) get rid of their mascot. He is fondly known as "Colonel Reb". The team is known as the "Ole Miss Rebels"!

[thea_447]

This is yet another example of how MY Southern heritage is being trampled on, Neil.

This comes from that gate-keeper of veracity and absolute truisms, Julian Bond!

"Their idea of equal rights is the American flag and the Confederate
swastika flying side by side" Bond told a cheering audience.

Full Story:
_http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics....ive%5C200406%5

I've looked again and this page is invalid now but I can assure you it was there somewhere around the 3rd of June, or thereabouts when I saw it. You have MY word.

[thea_447]

Something of interest concerning National cemetaries.
Memorial Day

From: JonW-@TideFans.com


We observed Memorial Day at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas today. There are seven Confederate soldiers buried at Fort Leavenworth National Cemetery. These men were participants in Price's 1864 Missouri Campaign, wounded and captured and taken to Fort Leavenworth, where they died. Every Memorial Day, the Boy Scouts place US flags on every grave, including the graves of these Confederates
(probably through ignorance; I'm sure they intended no offense). Yesterday, I placed "Stirling Price" Missouri Battle Flags (red-bordered blue field with a white cross) on the graves. The National Cemetery staff later removed the flags, since they did not know what they were. When I asked the grounds keeper why, he said they were an "unauthorized display."

Today, I asked the cemetery director what exactly WAS the policy on displays. They went to the office and gave me a copy of the applicable directive. I thought the other members might want to have the applicable paragraph:

National Cemetery Administration (NCA) Directive 3220/1
Para 7. FLAGS OF THE FORMER CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA
a. A flag of the former Confederate States of America (CSA), such as the Confederate battle flag (sic), may be displayed in VA National Cemeteries only to honor the memory of those who served in the armies or navy of the CSA during the Civil War. Display of Confederate flags on NCA property is limited to displays by a sponsoring organization [Editor’s Note: SCV or UDC] and to display on Memorial Day and Confederate Memorial Day (in cemeteries in those States that recognize a Confederate Memorial Day). In addition, in States that do not have a Confederate Memorial Day, display of the Confederate flag is authorized on one other day ... ."

Three Lessons Learned:

1. Confederate flags ARE authorized on Confederate soldiers graves in
National Cemeteries, by the NCA's own directive.

2. In fairness to the cemetery staff, when I placed the flags, I had not identified myself as an SCV member, and should have. My mistake. If I had identified myself as a member of a sponsoring organization, then I would have been in compliance. When we talked the issue through, the cemetery staff we apologetic, courteous, and helpful.

3. If you have an issue with a cemetery, especially a National Cemetery, talk the issue through calmly, but firmly. If they say that something is against policy, ask to see the policy. We did and got precisely what we wanted.

I doubt this would have happened in a cemetery in the South. I just thought that the above information would be useful, especially for Southerners living in Northern States (say, near Camp Chase?) where Confederate flags might not be so welcome. They are, by the NCA's own policy.

Respectfully,

D. Jonathan White
Fort Leavenworth, (Bleeding) Kansas

[thea_447]

Insults to the UDC
From: _tan-@shawneelink.net_

I have just read Kyle Tucker's most appalling article in which he resorted
to the lowest of the low shock tactics, by calling the United Daughters of the
Confederacy a white supremacist organization. I am fully aware that the
right to free speech exists in this country, however, it should be reserved for
the truth. Mr. Tucker's comments regarding the UDC are totally false, out of
line, and morally wrong.

The UDC is responsible for many good works in regards to all people no
matter color or race. Their charitable acts have long been second to none. They
certainly are not politically motivated, and to call them a white supremacist
organization is ludicrous. The high standards to which the UDC holds their
members accountable should be a benchmark not only for any organization
imaginable, but for the human race as a whole.

Mr Tucker is just one more example of idiocy run amuck, and he should be
held accountable for his slanderous remarks. With his tasteless comments he has
wonged many a fine lady living and dead alike. His behavior is unacceptable
and clearly a travesty to all things decent.

It is most unfortunate that dueling was outlawed in this country; for it
seems a most appropriate manner in dealing with someone of Mr. Tucker's ilk.
T Warren
Bridgeport, Illinois

(Message edited by thea_447 on June 06, 2004)

[thea_447]

Neil,
You asked me for examples of how I felt my Confederate heritage is under attack. This is another example and it sickens me. Thea

Subject: [scvaladiv] Beauviour attacked

I attended the Mississippi Division reunion this weekend with AOT
Commander Candidate Ronnie Simmons. Early Saturday morning we were all shocked to learn that Beauviour was attacked around day break.

Below are all of the details that I was able to obtain.

The FBI and ATF are investigating. The Mississippi Division is planning to seek legal council to determine if the attack is covered by the hate crimes law. Time will tell.

The story, as told by the firefighter who put it out goes like this:

At about 6:00 am Saturday a local Firefighter was on his way to work. He noticed smoke and flames from the front of the Mansion. He called 911 and his firehouse, jumped the fence and put the fire out . There was no hose nearby, so he put water in a trash bag and used that to put the fire out.

The porch floor, ceiling, front door and walls on either side of the door were badly damaged. All of the glass in the area around the door was period glass except for one pane. All the door glass was broken.

The Mississippi Division and directors of Beauviour arranged for the young fire fighter to attend the Banquet Saturday evening. Judging by his appearance, I would guess that he is in his mid 20's. He received 2 standing ovations, 2 gifts and the heartfelt appreciation of all in attendance.

The executive director of Beauviour had some pictures that he passed
around. I asked for copies and he said that the FBI/ATF had asked that copies of the pictures not be distributed until the investigation is complete.

I will forward more information as it is made available.

Benje Evans
Captain William Houston Shelby #1537

[unionblue]

Thea,

There is no doubt in my mind you take your heritage seriously. Could you please give me the context of the above post so I could put it in perspective? Who was attacked and why? It seems like this is the end of the story, not the begining and the why.

Unionblue

[unionblue]

Thea,

Concerning the email by one D. Johnathan White, did he put in closed caption the words (say, near Camp Chase) or did you?

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