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Old 07-13-2004, 03:11 AM
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"The South went to war on account of slavery...South Carolina went to war as she said in her secession proclamation, because slavery would not be secure under Lincoln...don't you think South Carolina ought to know why it went to war?"

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Old 07-16-2004, 01:43 AM
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"Those who fairly carry an election can fairly suppress a rebellion."

Abraham Lincoln.

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Old 01-05-2007, 03:35 AM
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"That the right of the people of a single State, to absolve themselves at will, and without the consent of the other States, from their most solemn obligations, and hazard the liberties and happiness of the millions composing this Union, cannot be acknowledged; and that such authority is utterly repugnant, both to the principles upon which the general government is constituted, and the objects which it was expressly formed to attain."

President Andrew Jackson, message to Congress, January 16, 1833.

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Old 01-05-2007, 09:17 PM
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Quote:
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"Those who fairly carry an election can fairly suppress a rebellion."

Abraham Lincoln.

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OK. Neil, My turn to ask for the source. I can't find it on the 'Lincoln Log" (http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/lincoln/)
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Old 01-06-2007, 08:02 AM
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Sam,

I found this quote by Lincoln in the book, The Wit & Wisdom of Abraham Lincoln, A Treasury of More Than 1,000 Quotations and Anecdotes, by James C. Humes.

It is listed under the heading of Abe's Adages, under the section listed REBELLION on page 37.

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Old 01-12-2007, 03:22 AM
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"This government cannot much longer play a game in which it stakes all and its enemies stake nothing. Those enemies must understand that they cannot experiment for ten years trying to destroy the Government and if they fail, still come back into the Union unhurt."

Abraham Lincoln to August Belmont, July 31, 1862.

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"Pause, I entreat you, and consider for a moment what reasons you can give that will even satisfy yourselves in calmer moments--what reasons you can give to the nations of the earth to justify it? They will be calm and deliberate judges in the case; and to what cause or one overt act can you name or point, on which to rest the plea of justification? What right has the North assailed? What interest of the South has been invaded? Can either of you today name one government act of wrong, deliberately and purposely done by the government of Washington, of which the South has a right to complain? I challenge the answer!"

Extract from a speech of Alexander H. Stephens, delivered at the Secession Convention of Georgia, January, 1861.

The entire speech may be found at the Making of America website under the books sections with the heading:

Extract from a speech by Alexander H. Stephen, vice-president of the Confederate States; delivered to the secession convention of Georgia, January 1861.

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Old 03-26-2007, 10:07 PM
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Neil,

Wonder if you have read Edmond Wilson's critique of Stephens in Patriotic Gore?

An interesting, tho contradictory fellow. A prominent Whig who became a democrat. An anti-secessionist who became the Vice-President of the CSA. A Southern nationalist who became a advocate of states rights opposition within the Confederacy. He was also one of Abe Lincoln's few close friends in Congress!
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Old 03-26-2007, 10:40 PM
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samgrant,

Can't say I have read the article/book.

But I must say that Stephens is one of the most tragic figures in the short-lived Confederacy.

I think he knew the South was cutting it's own throat for no good reason, but felt compelled to follow his State out of regional honor and duty.

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Old 10-28-2007, 09:06 PM
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From the book, The Army of the Potomac: A Stillness At Appomattox, by Bruce Catton.

...Colonel Stephen Thomas [8th Vermont] had once been a leading Democratic politician, stoutly opposed to all coercion of the South. Recently he had gone home on furlough and his former party associates had chided him for deserting the true faith.

"Thomas, you've changed," they complained. "We haven't."

A true Vermonter, Thomas replied: "Fools never do."

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