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The document the link goes to is the legit word for word Lakota statement which I find fascinating in that it reminds me of the brute force the nation, North AND South was up against. As they watched the Constitution shredded, any slight the South had done to the Indians was made insignificant.
The document the link goes to is the worst sort of slight-of-hand history and twisted garbage that you seem to enjoy have doing the thinking for you. Do you ever try to see documentation presenting an opposing point-of-view, or do you jump on this with sheer joy that you have more "ammunition" to prove you were right all along?
Studying Lincoln and leaving out the crushing of rights, armed troops firing to disperse crowds, is like teaching Nam and leaving out Kent State!
Again, taking Lincoln and the Civil War of 1861-1865 out of context and applying them to present-day or the recent past events is simply not appliciable. Using Lincoln as some sort of modern-day excuse for our present troubles in the political and social world is lazy history and geared primarily against a dead man who cannot defend himself in the context of those times. In other words, DJ, it's a cheap shot meant to sell books and advance a 21st centry political agenda Lincoln would have never even dreamed of.
The impact Lincoln would have on the power hungry would lead to Japanese and German families placed in relocation camps, the jailing of a film director by Woodrow Wilson for making a film on the Revolution, the baiting of nations into war, the censorship of the press in wartime (which lasted until Nam), rushing into wars with no plans for what to do should you win, going around the legislature to declare wars, etc. You know the drill.
No, it's not "the drill" we know, it's history. Give it a try sometime DJ, you WILL be surprised. For some reason you think every assualt on civil liberty is proceeded by the cry "Lincoln did it!" and therefore present-day politicians think themselves exempt from being judged for abuses. What utter rot! Instead of directing our efforts at these present-day abuses of power, you and others would have us rail against a dead man who did nothing close to what you charge him with. "The drill?" Come back to me with some accurate history and then you would really be afraid of what's going on at present in our nation and government.
His legacy is a very dark side of the American dream.
Deep Sigh.
DJ, if you could lift your eyes for just a short time from the neoliberal garbage you consider important, you just might realize that Lincoln gave this nation a chance to be something better than what it was and what it is.
You think the American dream died 140 years ago? I think it got a new lease on life when the man gave us a chance to be something better that we were.
Go figure.
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
Neoliberal!?! Me? Most folks think I'm to the right of Attila the Hun!
Actually there was a group that was supposed to undo the "special orders". "emergency powers" and the like headed by Church after Watergate. True story, they found so many starting with Lincoln that they realized it would take years and years just to undo the ones he used!
Neoliberal!?! Me? Most folks think I'm to the right of Attila the Hun!
DJ, please READ my post. I said the neoliberal stuff you READ (DiLorenzo, etc.). I did not call you a Neoliberal. Frankly, it doesn't matter if your right of Nixon and left of Hilliary with me. It's the history distortions you buy into that matter with me.
Actually there was a group that was supposed to undo the "special orders". "emergency powers" and the like headed by Church after Watergate. True story, they found so many starting with Lincoln that they realized it would take years and years just to undo the ones he used!
You constantly do this, DJ, you make these claims and then don't back them up. What group was given the task of undoing 'special orders,' 'emergency powers' and the like after Watergate? How the heck do any of us know if this is a "true story" or something you read on another wacked-out website? Prove it, please. And how many 1861-1865 special orders and emergency powers were still in effect at the time this "group" was given this supposed task? Do people still have to ask for a pass to visit Richmond? Anyone ask you lately to take the Loyalty Oath? Smuggle any quinne South lately?
Before him? NO ONE.
Again, simply not true. Ever hear of President Adams, the second one, and the Alien and Sedition Acts? Thomas Jefferson and James Madison were not above protecting or ordering 'special' or 'emergency' acts, neither was George Washington concerning the Whiskey Rebellion. Why do you continue to post what is not true?
I'm afraid the roads to abuse lead to one man.
Yes, and his name was Adam.
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
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