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Old 10-16-2006, 03:30 PM
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Milhistbuff1, all those options would have been totally out of character for johnston. He would have had to be convinced that he had the larger army.
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I'm not so sure i agree in this case, he would have done it just to get away from President Jeff Davis, who he vicerally despised. He'd get away from Richmond and Davis as soon as humanly possible.
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Old 10-17-2006, 12:12 PM
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Agreed that Johnston would jump at a chance to distance himself from Davis, but it would have been more in character to fight a small, inconclusive battle, and then declare that nothing more could be done without reinforcements and tell the Gov't (and Davis) to leave Richmond so that he could manuever as the situation dictated (not being tied down to Richmond, forcing him to fight a hopeless battle). Then retreat from Richmond AND away from where ever Davis retreated to.
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I just don't see Johnston going further south. There was nowhere to go without handing vital territory to the federals. Surely he wouldnt have been foolish enough to expose Richmond/Petersburg? Without Tredegar iron works, he cannot supply cannon to his army. If Petersburg is lost, there goes connections with the rest of the CSA. The only way he could have broken from davis' choke hold is to move North.
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Gunny: My opinion: JEJ was hopelessly hindered with his personal aversion to failure. His unwillingness to risk failure translated into an unwillingness to risk anything -- hence, do anything but maneuver and avoid confrontation.
How do you explain the 40,000 casoualties he inflicted on Sherman's forces?


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How do you explain the 40,000 casoualties he inflicted on Sherman's forces?
I'll have to see some very convincing evidence before I believe 40,000.
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For the WHOLE Atlanta campaign, Sherman`s losses were 37,081 - R.M.McMurry - Atlanta 1864 Last Chance for the Confederacy.

Please do not give credit to J.Johnston for something he has never did.
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Actually Sherman states in his official report that the casualties for the campaign (killed and wounded) came to 37,081 while prisoners and deserters numbered an additional 12,983 for a total loss of 50,064.

This report was dated "In the Field, Atlanta, Ga., Sept. 15, 1864"

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OK. I'll buy 40k, although it still sounds excessive.
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Actually Sherman states in his official report that the casualties for the campaign (killed and wounded) came to 37,081 while prisoners and deserters numbered an additional 12,983 for a total loss of 50,064.

This report was dated "In the Field, Atlanta, Ga., Sept. 15, 1864"

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The 12,983 is the claimed capture of prisoners and deserters by Sherman's forces, not his own losses. He is saying his own total loss was 37,081.

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