What if the Confederacy had won the War?

[unionblue]

Let's suppose that there was no 'Lost Order 191' and that Lee managed to get his Army up to Harrisburg, PA, and defeat McClellan in his first invasion of the North in 1862. Or perhaps some other event changes the course of history.

Suppose England and France did recognize the new nation of the Confederacy or Lincoln is impeached and a new Federal Government sues for peace.

What kind of history would take place from that point on?

Your views, guesses, imaginings?

Unionblue

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[unionblue]

Before giving my own vision/version of what I think might have happened if the South had won, take a look at these few possible "might-have-beens":

http://users.metro2000.net/~stabbott/AHnogettysburg.htm

http://users.metro2000.net/~stabbott/AHdouglaswins.htm

http://www.althist.com/alternate_ame...civil_wars.htm

http://www.althist.com/Intro.htm

Unionblue

(Message edited by Unionblue on June 07, 2003)

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Neil,
Very interesting links. I think I like the first link's version best. I especially found the part on it "Confederate Death Camps and Other Implausibilities - Some Common Cliches In Civil War Alternate Histories" very thought provoking. The effect of the guilt of letting the south win made me think of the implications in real history.

I am not sure I could compete with the views and ideas presented. Is quite obvious they spent a significant amount of time on them.

If I was going to try I'd first have to figure out where the divergence from history began. That is the place I get stumped. Let me think on it a while and see if I can contribute.

I think this could be kinda fun.

YMOS
tommy

[jac]

McKinley Cantor wrote a book quite a while back, called 'If The South Had Won The Civil War'.
I'm sure it's long out of print, but you might find it in your local library, or at a used book dealer.

[mobile_96]

abebooks.com has 36 copies listed in Paperback for $1.98-$8.00, and 1 hardback copy for $19.95
Chuck in Il.

[tamaroa]

I remember reading it 30 odd years ago. The Rebs captured Washington and Grant died in an equestrian accident. In the 1930's Jeb stuart's son was killed in a plane crash, there was all kinds of crazy stuff in it. I wish I could find my old copy. The USA and CSA were still separate at the time. I think it was way to far fetched , for me at least.

Bill

(Message edited by Tamaroa on June 09, 2003)

[jac]

Same here, Bill.
Dunno what happened to my copy, either.

[unionblue]

It all does make you wonder though, doesn't it? Haven't you read an item or fact of history that makes you scratch your head in wonder? How many times have we said fact is stranger than fiction?

I do think history turns on very fine points, almost that of the head of a pin (the how many angels theory) and that it would not have taken much to change that history.

Now, I too, have an idea of what would have happened, but I would like to take a little time to refine it. It will be nothing like those web sites I found for you to look at, and I am looking for more by-the-way, but I promise it will be somewhat interesting and I look forward for the comments and input by everyone on this board.

In the meantime, does anyone want to take a wack at what they think would have happened to history and this country if the South had won?

Unionblue

[unionblue]

Friends,

I find myself just fascinated by the alternate history sites and stories I have found on a possible CSA winning the war. Here are a few more for your consideration.

http://members.tripod.com/~car0lesc0tt/clopton.html

http://www.flin.demon.co.uk/althist/trent.htm

http://www.geocities.com/alderaan_666/ul-1.html

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/misc/balkanus.htm

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/misc/rightvus.htm
I promise, this will be my last round of alternate history web sites!

Unionblue

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Neil,
Oh no...Don't stop....those are so cool....in a way I can't explain they make me look at history in a new light....cause and effect etc...Besides, they are just fun to read....Thanks

YMOS
tommy