What if the Confederacy had won the War?

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Friends,

Another view if the South could someday be victorious.

http://www.csanews.net/021401/After%...%20Victory.htm

Unionblue

[unionblue]

Friends,

A bit of a spin on what if the South had won the Civil War.

http://users.metro2000.net/~stabbott/AHsouth2.htm

Makes you wonder, doesn't it?
Unionblue

[unionblue]

Friends,

Found another alternate history web site that has the South winning the war with some very interesting comments along the way.

The site is called, 'Clopton's Short History of the Confederate States of America, 1861-1925, and is found at:

http://members.tripod.com/~car0lesc0tt/clopton.html

Enjoy,
Unionblue

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Fellow Members,

Another interesting alternate history with a surprising twist. I encourage you to visit the following web site, The Black and the Gray:

http://www.geocities.com/robertp6165...etimeline.html

Would it have made such a difference? Who can say?

Unionblue

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Neil

I finally got to read the black and the grey. The timeline of events that took place after the Civil War provided the most interest.

I don't really feel that the changes made during the Civil War would have made as big a difference, but when writing historical fiction, you can make anything happen. The article did provide some interesting thoughts though. Thanks for the link to that alternate history story.

Max

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Max,

Sorry for taking so long to come back to you on this. It is the possible changes that might have happened in history that fascinates me! The What ifs that might have had me debating on a different side for different reasons in a different future. What if New England HAD seceded from the Union over slavery and Lee had remained in the Union Army? Would the New England States been the ones that would be the butt of jokes and viewed with contempt today if they had been forced back into the Union at gun point?

What if Douglas would have won the election of 1860 or the South HAD freed the slaves and THEN fired on Ft. Sumter? It really does hold my interest at just how little a fact or incident history turns on sometimes.

Talk at you soon,
Unionblue

[max]

No problem Neil, my post was one that didn't really need a reply. As far as being the butt of the jokes I believe New England would have suffered just as the south has. But it is interesting to think of the many possibilities that might have happened if the Confederacy had pulled off a victory.

Max

[dawna]

What if President Lincoln had not been assasinated?

Dawna

[MobileBoy]

My opinion on a victorious Southern confederacy coming from a born and raised boy in Alabama.Slavery would have eventually ended on its own but I think it would have expanded shortly after Confederate victory.I'm sure the Confederacy would have taken the Northern provinces of Mexico.They sent a Colonel Shipley I believe but anyway some Texan to talk with the local warlords who actually ran the area.This is assuming Maxamilian is gone from Mexico which with a Confederate victory I'm not sure he would be.The South always wanted Cuba so its safe to assume they would eventually try to take it.I'm sure the Confederacy wanted New Mexico and Arizona but I'm not sure if they would be awarded it.If not yea I could see a bleeding Kansas multiplied leading to another war.If the Confederacy got those territories I don't think Americans would fight again.The South would probably build strong ties to Britain.I think the South would probably root for Britain in World War I but I think it's stupid to think the South would send troops to Britain with the North possibly ready to invade.I also don't think it's a sure fire bet that the North would have sided with Germany.It's not like the majority of the Northern population were German immigrants. That's assuming every other Yankee(I hate that term) would blindly follow their lead.Even all of them that there were didn't love the Kaiser.I think the North also wouldn't risk war with the South to help Germany.I think other Central American countries could possibly be invaded by the Confederacy also.In short I think the South would have been rich really fast and probably a military power for the rest of the 18th and early 19th century.Then I think the economic fortunes of the South go down the pipe in the early 1900s causing major social upheaval.Slavery would be long gone now but as for civil rights I hope segregation would be over and not shamefully like apartheid in S. Africa.I'm not sure though.Look back 50 years and ouch.Please don't blame Reconstruction for all the racism either.It hurt but racism was prevalent in the South way before it was ever dreamed of.Whenever the slaves were freed I really doubt a separate North would have willingly taken millions of the refugees in and taken care of them.On a positive note I have no doubt prayer to the God of the Christian Bible would be allowed in our schools.Abortion would probably be illegal but little would be done to severely punish perpetrators.Jail would probably be miserable as Hell the way I wish it was.Taxes would probably be lower but the standard of living in the South might mean less wealth anyway so a net loss to us here today.Affirmative action would never have been legislated.Society wouldn't be responsible for some crackhead who shoots somebody in a robbery.The Confederacy would obviously be more conservative than liberal.Gay folks wouldn't be married ever in the CSA.I'm at a quandary on that issue while I disapprove of the lifestle I don't see how its the govt.'s business either way.It's safe to say burning a Confederate flag would not be a good thing to do in this victorious South.I bet illegal or at least legal for someone to kick your butt.You would also have to pledge allegiance to the flag in school where as now a kid can stay seated and ignore it.I'm a teacher and this infuriates me.There wouldn't be all this talk or passion about the Civil War which surely would have a different name in the South.I don't know anyone that gets emotional and defensive about the Revolutionary War the way both sides do about are Civil War.Are there grown men dressing up and reenacting any of the other battles from American wars.I also don't see a crippled North long term after a Confederate victory.that comes from wanting to punish the North.After the war the economy of the north would have declined initially in my opinion.But it's not like they are a bunch of idiots up there.Many of the country's wealthiest businesses were up there for a reason folks.They would have still been a wealthy nation in my opinion and a powerful one.But neither would have been the world power America is today.I could maybe live with that except for the Hitler issue and fears that some minorities may be treated unfairly.But then again a free black in the South building ships in the Civil War made 3 times what a white private made so maybe I'm wrong.I also read where Frederick douglas said he had no doubt if freed most of the slaves would fight for the Confederacy.So maybe things could have turned out okay.I have no problem with poeple having to actually work for the food or pay their own medical expenses instead of rely on the government.If Hitler never would have been fine but hey I'm not sure he's beaten without the America we are.I also think anyone incredibly stupid who thinks the Confederacy would set up death concentration camps.Now I'm sure many around the world would be happy with America not being so powerful too but would the world really be better off.That's what I really wonder.

[FSPowers]

I have a book called "A Southern Yarn" written by R.W. Richards, in which Lee springs a trap on Grant at the North Anna River, then going on to destroy the AofP and capturing Washington.

For those who would be interested, it was available by mail order from ROKARN PUBLICATIONS, PO BOX 195, Nokesville, VA, 22123.

He also wrote a sequal called "Brothers in Gray" about two friends, one White, one Black, who enlist in the 4th VA and fight several battles together.