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Old 03-13-2008, 10:44 PM
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Default Pride of the Gray in the West!

I side why the side was a side show for look at these Confederate Generals:

Gen. Tilgham: How many times did he surrender to Grant before finally being killed at Champion Hill.

Mansfield Lovell: Who gives up New Orleans without much of a fight.

Earl Van Dorn: Killed not in the line of duty but by a jealious husband..

Why I bring them up for the Second Battle of Corinth Van Dorn commanded the Army of the West while Lovell was the Div. Commander and Tilgham was a Brigade Commander under Lovell.

No wonder Rosrcran had a Victory that day at Corinth.


Confederate leadership in the west waht a wonder. Bring pride to the Gray!!
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Old 03-13-2008, 11:23 PM
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Not really sure what your saying here. The gist being that Van Dorn was a lackluster commander? With lackluster underling's?

Well yeah! He proved is unfitness for command of an Army at Pea Ridge. It was only Jeff's sponsership that kept him in command of the Army of the West thru the Corinth-Iuka campaign. After that he was relagated to a minor Cavalry Command...too late.

But Van Dorn was pretty much at fault for his own failures at Corinth when he for the most part got a case of the slows and ignored Braggs orders and allowed him self to be split from Price. As well as dispatching Breckenridge into La where that command was chewed on.

Van Dorn is not the leading example of what a western CS general was. There were plenty of good ones, Forrest, Cleburne, Breckenridge, Cheatam, PGT.
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It like this we know how incompente the Union generals were in the east so I wanted to show the south drumped thier worthless general in the west.

No wonder Grant had a field day with southern generals in the west.....
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Old 03-14-2008, 09:47 PM
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Whether Van Dorn was actually dumped in the West or not is open to Conjecture.

Van Dorn was given the appointment when that formation was in the Trans-Miss. All of the other Generals who were offered the command refused it. Van Dorn had a West Point education which was Jeff's criteria for Army Command.

You could make case of Holmes and Hindman being dumped in the Trans-Miss however.
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