The brothers Forrest - Page 6

larry_cockerham · #51 08-01-2008, 07:43 PM

I don't know if the foregoing is the whole truth about Ft. Pillow or not. I do suspect it's a goodly portion of the truth at least.

Please note that this 13th TN Regiment US is not to be confused with GG Grandpa Arnold's 13th TN Cav US who operated in central and east Tennessee and Kentucky.

Mr. Barr has done a great job, in my opinion, of laying out the Southern view of this unfortunate battle. That's how we see it and why we argue a wee tad when other versions of the event come along. We contend the truth will set us all free. May that continue to happen.

Glorybound · #52 08-29-2008, 01:07 AM

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008...devil-forrest/

Black soldier rides with 'devil Forrest'

'Contraband' joins Union army in War Department shift
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Thursday, August 7, 2008

Black soldier rides with 'devil Forrest'

Gordon Berg, SPECIAL TO THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Elennsar · #53 08-29-2008, 01:27 AM

How very strange. (the article)

As to the truth in general and on Fort Pillow...honestly, speaking as a West coast "Yankee", there's something fundementally grating about the Southern protests that the Evil Radical Republicans Lied About the War And Our Good Southern Boys Did Nothing Wrong (or if they did It was Quite Understandable At The Time).

Even if Mr. Barr is right on Fort Pillow, his conviction that the South is a bastion of all that's good and wonderful and that only those who "hate our virtues" (paraphrasing) criticize it leaves...quite a lot to be desired.

Vareb · #54 08-29-2008, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Elennsar

How very strange. (the article)

As to the truth in general and on Fort Pillow...honestly, speaking as a West coast "Yankee", there's something fundementally grating about the Southern protests that the Evil Radical Republicans Lied About the War And Our Good Southern Boys Did Nothing Wrong (or if they did It was Quite Understandable At The Time).

Even if Mr. Barr is right on Fort Pillow, his conviction that the South is a bastion of all that's good and wonderful and that only those who "hate our virtues" (paraphrasing) criticize it leaves...quite a lot to be desired.

If you think the yankees didn't lie, take a look at these declarations from the Republican Platform 1860.

2. That the maintenance of the principles promulgated in the Declaration of Independence and embodied in the Federal Constitution, "That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; that, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed." is essential to the preservation of our Republican institutions; and that the Federal Constitution, the Rights of the States, and the Union of the States, must and shall be preserved.

4. That the maintenance inviolate of the rights of the States, and especially the right of each State to order and control its own domestic institutions according to its own judgment exclusively, is essential to that balance of powers on which the perfection and endurance of our political fabric depends; and we denounce the lawless invasion by armed force of the soil of any State or Territory, no matter under what pretext, as among the gravest of crimes.

That 4th one is pure lies. (My hilite.)

M E Wolf · #55 08-29-2008, 06:22 PM

Dear Vareb.

What does your post have to do with Ft. Pillow and General N. B. Forrest?

You have posted this 'lie' stuff on politics forum -- so, I consider this overkill and a hijack of the thread, as it has zero to do with Ft. Pillow or the Forrest Brothers serving in the military.

Just some thoughts.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
M. E. Wolf
Posted in the capacity of Moderator

larry_cockerham · #56 09-07-2008, 09:42 AM

A few obscure facts to add:

N.B. Forrest was elected constable in Hernando, Mississippi about 1845 and coroner of Desoto County, Mississippi about 1852. In 1851 he moved to Memphis where he was elected alderman, a position he resigned in 1859 when he moved to Coahoma County, Mississippii where he became a cotton planter. It was there that he returned in 1866 at war's end before moving back to Memphis in 1867 after selling his plantation.

larry_cockerham · #57 10-19-2008, 11:40 AM

We had a great tour of the Dover battlefield sites yesterday. I was able to stand in a gentlemen's backyard at the spot where N.B. Forrest is believed to have made his exit from Fort Donelson. The story there is that Buckner and some of the others used the depth of the water as an excuse for remaining behind. Forrest simply rode into the water, checked the depth relative to his saddle and offered his men the opportunity to ride across with him. About a thousand of them took him up on the offer. Today there's a little extra back water from Barkley dam, but it certainly appears to have been physically possible without a lot of alarm. That spot is pretty much where the legend of N.B. Forrest began.

Glorybound · #58 10-19-2008, 11:55 AM

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Forrest simply rode into the water, checked the depth relative to his saddle and offered his men the opportunity to ride across with him. About a thousand of them took him up on the offer.

I have no trouble believing that at all. That's classic dyed-in-the-wool Forrest. Thanks for the story.

Lee

larry_cockerham · #59 11-14-2008, 02:51 AM

I received this recently from friend Gerald Fowler, a descendant of Nathan Bedford Forrest:

"Larry, the best I remember Jefferey Forrest did not die in Okolona, Ms. In the battle the confederate was over numbered by union soldiers, and Nathan Bedford Forrest knew he had to put the odds on his side. He took his men due south past West Point, Ms.; and crossed a bridge. As the Union Army came to this point, he allowed enough to cross the bridge and he attacked furious. They drove the union soldiers fast, they stop many times, and fought, trying to stop the fast advancing confederate army. They ran past Okolona, and the last big battle was little south of Troy, Ms. Many on both side lost many lives there, it was on my g-g-g-uncles land where Jeffery Forrest ran up the big hill on a horse, charging in front of his men. He lost his life there, the news was carried back to Nathan, he ran to the front and wept of his baby brothers death. This place is where Hwy.41 & New Natchez Trace meets today. It's 2 places of un-named Union Graves with tombstones on both places of the Natchez Trace. This is where Jeffery died. Gerald Barnell Fowler"

larry_cockerham · #60 11-14-2008, 02:53 AM

More from Gerald Fowler:

"Larry, the best I remember Jefferey Forrest did not die in Okolona, Ms. In the battle the confederate was over numbered by union soldiers, and Nathan Bedford Forrest knew he had to put the odds on his side. He took his men due south past West Point, Ms.; and crossed a bridge. As the Union Army came to this point, he allowed enough to cross the bridge and he attacked furious. They drove the union soldiers fast, they stop many times, and fought, trying to stop the fast advancing confederate army. They ran past Okolona, and the last big battle was little south of Troy, Ms. Many on both side lost many lives there, it was on my g-g-g-uncles land where Jeffery Forrest ran up the big hill on a horse, charging in front of his men. He lost his life there, the news was carried back to Nathan, he ran to the front and wept of his baby brothers death. This place is where Hwy.41 & New Natchez Trace meets today. It's 2 places of un-named Union Graves with tombstones on both places of the Natchez Trace. This is where Jeffery died. Gerald Barnell Fowler"