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Everyone knows about those d**n Black Hats; but the Confederates had an Iron Brigade, too. Joseph O. Shelby commanded a cavalry unit in Sterling Price's Army of Missouri. They were known as the "Iron Brigade". In 1863, from September 22nd to November 3rd this unit rampaged throughout Missouri on a grand raid. They inflicted 100's of Union casualties and captured or destroyed about $2,000,000 worth of supplies. After the war, Shelby offered his services to Maximilian. Maximilian was way too paranoid of Union power at that time and declined the offer. In 1867, Shelby returned to Missouri where he became, of all things, a farmer. Even more ironic, in 1893, he was appointed a U.S. Marshall. Next time I'll relate the story of the other Union "Iron Brigade"
Calicoboy
__________________ My dear mother:- I have come safely through two more terrible engagements with the enemy, that at South Mountain and the great battle of yesterday (Antietam). Our splendid regiment is almost destroyed. We have had nearly 400 men killed and wounded in the battles. Seven of our officers were shot and three killed in yesterday's battle and nearly 150 men killed and wounded. All from less than 300 engaged. The men have stood like iron....Maj. Rufus Dawes, 6th Wisconsin Volunteers
General Shelby and his men on the way to Mexico stopped long enough in Austin in stop a band of bandits from robbing the State Treasury and restored order to several small towns in Texas before laying to rest the battle flag in the Rio Grande
General Shelby and his men on the way to Mexico stopped long enough in Austin in stop a band of bandits from robbing the State Treasury and restored order to several small towns in Texas before laying to rest the battle flag in the Rio Grande.
And thus predating the KKK. Stop right there. The original Klan, as I understand it, was assembled to restore civil order in areas where there was little or no "official" civil muscle to do the job. Thus, comparing Shelby's extralegal actions in Texas with the original KKK's extralegal actions in Tennessee.
Just a thought.
Ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
Seems as if I started something here. Nice picture there Iron John. I was studying the two battles at Newtonia and kept running into references of Shelby. Would he be the Nathan Bedford Forrest of the West?
Calicoboy
__________________ My dear mother:- I have come safely through two more terrible engagements with the enemy, that at South Mountain and the great battle of yesterday (Antietam). Our splendid regiment is almost destroyed. We have had nearly 400 men killed and wounded in the battles. Seven of our officers were shot and three killed in yesterday's battle and nearly 150 men killed and wounded. All from less than 300 engaged. The men have stood like iron....Maj. Rufus Dawes, 6th Wisconsin Volunteers
It seems several posts are cut off by the bottom of pages. Try to find my post "logistics" about my answer to Ole about Mobile in "5 ports of the Confederacy" and to yours about my computer being too fast. They aren't there. It doesn't pay to be the last post on a page..
Calicoboy
__________________ My dear mother:- I have come safely through two more terrible engagements with the enemy, that at South Mountain and the great battle of yesterday (Antietam). Our splendid regiment is almost destroyed. We have had nearly 400 men killed and wounded in the battles. Seven of our officers were shot and three killed in yesterday's battle and nearly 150 men killed and wounded. All from less than 300 engaged. The men have stood like iron....Maj. Rufus Dawes, 6th Wisconsin Volunteers
Calico, that I think is a symptom of the same diference I have when I log on from work or from home. It was dissusssed briefly somewhere without resolution.
Another symptom of this problem is not being able to do a search within a thread.
If you are at home you may be able to manage what comes and goes, if at some corporate network, stuff can be limited.
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Gen. J.O. Shelby is my Number One All Time Favorite Civil War Personality. He was a Great American and a Great Missourian and if he'd fought east of the Mississippi River, we'd ALL know about him.
My favorite sayin' about J.O Shelby is:
J.E.B. Stuart may have rode around McCellan, but J.O. Shelby rode around Missouri!
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