Hatch vs Forrest

larry_cockerham · #1 08-02-2005, 07:46 PM

Considering the fact that one of my grandpas was a farrior for Edward Hatch and another rode in a wagon commanded by N.B. Forrest for a brief stint in the war, I thought this was at least interesting to me. This is the only account I've seen in which someone (Gen. Edward Hatch) ordered Forrest to surrender!

[HEADQUARTERS FIFTH DIVISION, CAVALRY CORPS,
MILITARY DIVISION OF THE MISSISSIPPI,
Eastport, Miss., May 5, 1865.

Lieut. Gen. N. B. FORREST:

I am directed by the major-general commanding Department of the Cumberland to demand the surrender of all Confederate forces under your command on the same terms given to Generals Lee and Johnston by General Grant, viz:

Rolls of all the officers and men to be made in duplicate, one copy to be given to an officer designated by me, the other to be retained by such officer as you may designate, the officers to give their individual paroles not to take arms against the Government of the United States until properly exchanged, and each company or regimental commander sign a like parole for the men of their command; the arms, artillery, and public property to be parked and stacked, and turned over to the officer appointed by me to receive them. This will not embrace the side-arms of the officers or the private horses or baggage. This done, each officer and man will be allowed to return to their homes, and not to be disturbed by the U.S. authorities so long as they observe their parole and the laws in force where they may reside.
If these terms are accepted, send an officer to Baldwyn or Eastport to arrange final preliminaries. Answer by bearer of these dispatches.
Very respectfully, your obedient servant,

EDWARD HATCH,
Brigadier-General, Commanding.]
SOURCE: Official Records

larry_cockerham · #2 08-02-2005, 07:53 PM

This was of course, the day that Forrest 'hung up' his spurs and returned to Memphis from Citronelle, Alabama. Col/Gen Hatch went on to command the Buffalo Soldiers while Forrest went to a klan meeting followed by church.

samgrant · #3 08-02-2005, 09:27 PM

Just 'grandpas'? You must be very old!

My great,great,gpaw was encouraged, by U.S. Grant, out of his nice house in LaGrange, Tennessee to the colder climes of Chicago, then to start a new LaGrange in Illinois.

larry_cockerham · #4 08-03-2005, 09:03 AM

Hello Sir. A good morning to you. Your name reminds me of my great grandfather Ulysses Grant Cress of Johnson County, Tennessee. Anyone who thinks there wasn't Union sentiment in upper east Tennessee ought to think about that one? Yep, they're all grandpas to me at this point. Actually my civil war generation was great great as you point out. I've been doing genealogy for quite some time and have several lines into the 10 th century, so it gets a bit tiring sometimes writing all those greats into the computer! One line goes back to the first century via Clovis etc, but I didn't know those folks personally. I'm a mere lad of 58.

Alabaman · #5 08-05-2005, 10:24 AM

I finally located someone older than myself!! (Kiddin & in Good Humor of course, Larry) I also speak of Grandpa Adams born 128 years before me. I'm 47. I've watched the War Photo of my Grandpa hanging on my wall change from looking like an older man to looking like a young man! Speaking personally growing old is MUCH over-rated. We're a'waitin samgrant...taptap...hmmhmmm..fess up. heeheehee. Alabaman.

larry_cockerham · #6 08-05-2005, 03:35 PM

I ain't that old, but I'm working on it. I've been writing a "book" for sometime concerning the Army of Tennessee in particular and their activities between the battle of Atlanta and the end of the war, the Tennessee campaign if you will. I'm curious if you have ever done any information gathering concerning the period between February 1 and May 1 when they crossed Alabama (Selma to Demopolis to Montgomery and on to Macon, GA)? I'm looking for places they may have passed through or stopped in. I'm slowly working my way along their route. Hopefully this fall I can work northern Mississippi and then move on to central Alabama. By the way, welcome to our midst!

Alabaman · #7 08-05-2005, 07:14 PM

Thanks Larry for the welcome. You fellows sure are up-to-date on your knowledge of the WBTS! I feel very comfortable around the Company's campfire.

Thats outstanding hearing of your writing the book. The WBTS, with a forte on the AOT/Atlanta Campaign rate high upon my esoteric interests in reading. I'm most impressed & wish you the best of success! Hopefully I will soon add to my list, your work as well!

Interestingly enough, I've been working on a CW Historical fiction for several years now. My work concentrates mainly upon a timeframe close to yours except mine covers the months previous to, and directly after the Battle(s) of Atlanta, Georgia; esentially mid April '64-early August '64.
My knowledge of the AOT's post-Atlanta period is fairly slim, I'm sorry to say. My concentration has been limited to my ancestor's war years which ended on August 2, 1864 due to being wounded in action while attacking the 15th Iowa Infantry, 22nd July, '64. My only knowledge of your months of focus concern the civilians (Grandmother & chidren) surviving the Union Cavalry raids through eastern Alabama; Russell County (see Society Hill & Uchee on the map.) I could offer only tidbits of the affairs of the women/children dodging first Rousseau (july '64) then Wilson (late '65). If I had the notes I'd be glad to help you. I assume you've read most of the AOT books? These along with searches on the internet comprise my entire knowledge of the AOT after Atlanta. Wish I could be of more help, sorry. Keep up the writing!! Alabaman (Rob Adams)

samgrant · #8 08-05-2005, 07:37 PM

OK, now youv'e found 2. At an immature 54, it really hasn't mattered much since the Four-O, except for the gray stuff amid less of the other. Welcome, by the way! Do you know Buck Fulford?

larry_cockerham · #9 08-06-2005, 08:45 AM

Alabaman, glad to learn more about your work and interests. I've been doing much the same as you in that I've worked on the daily activites of two ancestors. One was a farrior with Hatch's cavalry (10 TN US), probably the guys you referred to earlier as they were moving across northern Alabama in late summer 1864 after guarding the railroad between Nashville and Chattanooga. Adding a little flavor to their excursion were Forrest, Roddy and Wheeler as you probably know. My ancestor was wounded by a horse (pinned him against a toolbox and broke some ribs) about June 1 1864. He was taken to Pulaski, TN for a while before returning to the unit in September before going on to Edgefield Depot (the cavalry headquarters in East Nashville). The other had been wounded 9 August 1864 by an exploding shell in defense of Atlanta. He was a private with the 63rd Virginia which was unfortunately in Hood's command. My confederate made the tour from Florence to Franklin to Murfreesboro and back to Alabama with the Army of Tennessee before moving to Mississippi in January 1864 and on to North Carolina at Bentonsville. I suspect he spent much of his time in a wagon because of his wounds. Thus the name Two Armies on the Same Road. These fellows crossed each others' paths many times. Both died of old age. Most of the books on the Army of Tennessee end their story with the brutal retreat from Nashville to Lexington, Alabama and then spend a couple of paragraphs telling folks they went to Bentonville from there. Well, there was a bunch of travelling and fighting going on across northern Mississippi, central Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina before they caught the train from Charlotte to Raleigh. That's the story I'd like to uncover. I'm working on it. If you will get me your e-mail address, I'd be happy to send you the working file.

Alabaman · #10 08-07-2005, 07:49 AM

Larry, no problem. Happy to do this, didn't realize I had "hid" my email via my control panel. email: radams45@webtv.net
I hope my webtv "computer" will handle the info. Sometimes I have trouble downloading files with Java script/***** crypt/encryption, etc..whatever all that means. I'm a computer dummy! I do my book writing with pencil & paper, the old fashioned way.

I'm very impressed with your ancestry/history. I agree with you about the hardships of AOT soldiers after Franklin and the retreat. These boys went through some tough times indeed. Probably THE toughest time of that war.

I have many other Confederate ancestors which include the 40th Georgia Pvt. Adair, an ancestor surnamed Foote..wounded @ Fort Sumpter in '61, working on "fairly sure" of being related to Col. Sam Adams 33rd Ala. I have a photo of ancestors Pvt. Calvin Jernigin 33rd Ala. CS & his brother Pvt. McKay Jernigan 1st Fla. Cav. US sitting side-by-side in uniform! A true brother against brother history. These boys were Pvt. Morgan Adams' 45th Ala. brothers-in-law. I have Pvt. Adams war image holding his pistol in his left hand/kepi in his right, his pistol (.45 cal. 8" barreled cap & ball single shot w/his name-rank-unit designation & State stamped on the barrel) & his tin powder flask. I've carefully shot the pisol 3 times & it works perfectly-a box lock Southern Blacksmith made pistol ca. 1850's, All his war letters were 'lost by family" but I have direct quotes/notes. Last one dated July ? In Line of Battle at Atlanta..about to go into a big battle, etc.. Last letter home.

I look forward to your email...sorry for the delay, I missed my reply-reminder in my mail.
Respectfully Yours, Rob Adams (Alabaman).