Reminder

[larry_cockerham]

5fish wrote:

"I do believe the union control of the Mississippi River and Sherman's March through the south did demoralize the south and cause the melting away of southern resolve and of Lee's army.

In the east had the memorable battles of the war and the last nail in the Confederacy coffin but it was Sherman from the west that broke the Confederate will to fight."


I respectfully submit that the south didn't remain demoralized; southern resolve has by no means melted away, and the Confederate will to fight continues to be kept alive by yankees who continue to cause the flames to glimmer by re-writing some of the historical facts of the conflict and bring about rumors concerning the meaning and originis of the the old battle flag. That 'will' lives on in the hearts and souls of many descendants walking around our land. I do not wish to start an argument in this regard, merely an observation based on years of living well south of the Mason-Dixon line.

Southern is a heritage thing. Our nation survived many wars since we took on the Pamunkey nation in 1622 with not too great results. We did better against some other folks. The American Civil War was no highlight of accomplishment either. Perhaps a better sense of freedom for all concerned grew out of the War of Northern Agression and our Great Rebellion. That sense seemed to develop to the point where we, as a unified force and people, accounted ourselves well in the two great World Wars. Let us hope the testing is over. I wouldn't hold my breath.

[5fish]

[quote=larry_cockerham;83875]

I respectfully submit that the south didn't remain demoralized; southern resolve has by no means melted away, and the Confederate will to fight continues to be kept alive by yankees who continue to cause the flames to glimmer by re-writing some of the historical facts of the conflict and bring about rumors concerning the meaning and originis of the the old battle flag. That 'will' lives on in the hearts and souls of many descendants walking around our land. I do not wish to start an argument in this regard, merely an observation based on years of living well south of the Mason-Dixon line.

The flames that glimmer of discontent are fanned by Southern revisionist of history. The southern revisionist can't except the truth of history and repeatedly try to justify their forefathers misguided deeds of the civil war.

I am arguing is the my fellow Southern brothers of the west forefathers failed the Southern cause by allowing the Mississippi River to be conquered by them Yankees and allowing Sherman to march east.

Instead of blaming Pres. Davis or anyone else for the the fall of the confederacy, my follow Southerns' from the east should blame our Western Southern brothers for failing us and killing our southern dream of a free Dixie..

A note the Yankees' only moved about 120miles from Washington to Appomattox in four years of war while Sherman moved more then 120 miles across Dixie to North Carolina in less then a year of the war.

Do my Southern brothers' from the west do you not have any shame? Could you have at least control one river for the entire war something to redeem yourselves.

If the Southern revisionist want to re-write history then at least put the blame for a failed free Dixie on the right perpetrators our Southern brothers forefathers of the west.....feel the shame...

[timewalker]

[quote=5fish;83912]

Originally Posted by larry_cockerham

The flames that glimmer of discontent are fanned by Southern revisionist of history. The southern revisionist can't except the truth of history and repeatedly try to justify their forefathers misguided deeds of the civil war.

I am arguing is the my fellow Southern brothers of the west forefathers failed the Southern cause by allowing the Mississippi River to be conquered by them Yankees and allowing Sherman to march east.

Instead of blaming Pres. Davis or anyone else for the the fall of the confederacy, my follow Southerns' from the east should blame our Western Southern brothers for failing us and killing our southern dream of a free Dixie..

A note the Yankees' only moved about 120miles from Washington to Appomattox in four years of war while Sherman moved more then 120 miles across Dixie to North Carolina in less then a year of the war.

Do my Southern brothers' from the west do you not have any shame? Could you have at least control one river for the entire war something to redeem yourselves.

If the Southern revisionist want to re-write history then at least put the blame for a failed free Dixie on the right perpetrators our Southern brothers forefathers of the west.....feel the shame...

Yet it was generally Eastern Generals and meddling by Davis which caused so much of the mischief in the West.

[PINCKNEYUSMCRET]

There may be some who should feel shame, but In my opionion as a whole, the Confederate Armies especially the Grunts served well and with honor.

Pinckney

[OpnDownfall]

The war could be lost in the East, but it would be won in the West.
Historically, the battles in the East turned out to be holding actions until Grant and Sherman (both Westerners) moved East. A little more than a year after assuming their final army commands the war was won.
Immediately after the War actually began, Lincoln paid special attention to Md And most importantly, Mo. The Eastern and Western anchors of the remaining Border States.
Without yeoman service from Union civil and military leaders, the war in the West might have been lost at the very beginning of the war; and certainly would have prolonged the war, if the North's efforts to invade the South had to start from Ohio, rather than Mo. and Ky.

[bankerpapaw]

Originally Posted by 5fish

Doug,

What east thinking? I think it is western jealousy of the east for its dominance and importance in the war.

You do have a consolation prise because it took a western like Grant to tame Lee.

I guess the west was just a training ground for Grant before he went a play with the big dog Lee.

Do you have a better story?

You might check your spelling before you send you posts.

[5fish]

Originally Posted by bankerpapaw

You might check your spelling before you send you posts.

ATTACKS of personal destruction, how can my Southern brothers of the west be so savage in their attacks on my person.

YOUR attacks of political personal destruction will not silence this voice of your Southern brother of the east.


YOU, My Southern brothers of the west kill the dream of Free Dixie.....


I could forgive you. My Southern brothers of the west if you could have control just one river and I don't care which river but just one river under southern control for the war!!

[M E Wolf]

Dear List Members,

I thought I would call to attention, if those who are interested -- look at the Civil War Medal of Honor recipients. They are Union soldiers.

Unfortunately the Confederate forces did not have such a medal and or 'award' system.

However, in looking up these Medal of Honor holders for the Civil War, there is no shortage of courage on either side. Though the Confederate's side of their heroism isn't documented on the 'soldier's' level and or 'seamen' level --to apprecitate both sides--to see these MOH recipients' circumstances will help all to appreciate how much struggle there was.

I also want to say, that this thread does not detur bad spellers such as I from participating. Certainly, this would not justify another 'civil war.'
I also have great appreciation for those to whom words are hard to find, let alone spell correctly. Dyslexia affects many--the cruelity of this, is that it clouds wisdom with scrambled letters when it comes to the opportunity to type things and or write things. I hope that all will appreciate the 'spirit' of the posts --as well as look to the topic and not so much the individual.

Just some thoughts.

M. E. Wolf
Admitted horrible speller of words and language.

[larry_cockerham]

M.E., Sir, I believe there is a thread hidden deep in the archives of this venue which goes into considerable depth on this subject. Perhaps our monitor can retrieve it or one of the other more learned folks. The Confederate regiments did have a less formal honoring system, I believe on more of a monthly of perhaps battle basis. One of my wife's ancestors, private Hershel Glenn, was listed for the 15 Alabama after the battle at Sharpsburg/Antietam.

[M E Wolf]

Dear Larry Cockerham,

It is the 'less formal' honoring system within the Confederate Army, which never reaches the height of formal recognition of the MOH system, for the Federal aka Union Army/Navy/Marine soldiers, per se.

Union did have informal honors also, e.g. brevets, Kearny Medal.

The problem is--one has to 'dig' to find heros in files and hear of their bravery and what they did to earn that special notice and or honor.

But, in citing Union Medal of Honor (MoH) holders --the ones who earned it at those events west of the Eastern Theater; e.g. Vicksburg, etc.
To have earned such medals, there would have been a equally determined adversary. That is all I am attempting to proffer for thought.

The thread is on the course of 'lack of recognition.' In these MoH awards to individual --there is no doubt in my mind that anybody back in Washington did not recognized what these MoH individuals did --and, surfacely, more MoH were awarded to sailors, Marines and soldiers in other theaters of the Civil War--not just the most notable ones. So, for me--these battles that barely get mentioned--were not forgotten. Nor, should we forget them now.

There will always be heros on both sides and wearing either the Blue and or Grey/Butternut. It is our duty in the present to 'never forget.' I think this thread supports this endeavor -- 'never forget.'

Just some thoughts.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
M. E. Wolf.