Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.
HBO has already nailed your people with BURY MY HEART AT WOUNDED KNEE.
Beowulf
Wow, "people in glass houses, should not throw stones".
The people of the South got the Creek, Seminoles, Choctaw, Chickasaw, and Cherokee, while the people of the North got the Sac and Fox, Shawnee, Objiawa, Miami, and other tribes moved off their land to land West of the Mississippi River with the help of the US Army. Dee Brown was indicting the entire nation in his book, not just the North.
__________________ "Those who forget to remember the past are condemned to repeat it", George Santayana.
Wow, "people in glass houses, should not throw stones".
The people of the South got the Creek, Seminoles, Choctaw, Chickasaw, and Cherokee, while the people of the North got the Sac and Fox, Shawnee, Objiawa, Miami, and other tribes moved off their land to land West of the Mississippi River with the help of the US Army. Dee Brown was indicting the entire nation in his book, not just the North.
I believe the difficulty was WASHINGTON, D.C. I only saw a bunch of blue bellies setting fires to teepees. I only saw a bunch of blue bellies shooting the indian boys and killing one of them in the opening scene. I only saw the 'Union', whom the South had disowned some years earlier, reneging on land agreements. (In the behind the scenes talking, ADAM BEACH says that Red Cloud had made the mistake of giving a great piece of gold to Custer and his mob, from the Black Hills, and that got them their land's stolen from them!)...
I believe that was President Useless S. Grant, as Booth had called him, and wasn't that Sherman???? (Aiden Quinn and Adam are talking excitedly about Fred Thompson, the actor, actually going to run for president... in the alternate disc. Wonder what they think of the Republican choice?)...
Yes, I do declare! T'was him! William TECUMSEH Sherman! The White Tecumseh!
Glass houses? Burnt Chimneys were about all the South had at that time! There's still one or two places with that same name in Virginia...
The Southerners were still on their 'reservations', with many 'reservations' about the Union!
No, in the Wild, Wild West, you are on your own! The South is a captured province. Didn't see any negroes, either, but I suppose that was by design as well! (The plan of the Northern Capitalists, all along!)
You daren't try and BLAME THAT ON US, AS WELL! We don't exist that this point, see?
Not even half of the blame. Nice try, though! (I do recall a Confederate flag with 'Cherokee Braves' on it, though...).
I believe the difficulty was WASHINGTON, D.C. I only saw a bunch of blue bellies setting fires to teepees. I only saw a bunch of blue bellies shooting the indian boys and killing one of them in the opening scene. I only saw the 'Union', whom the South had disowned some years earlier, reneging on land agreements. (In the behind the scenes talking, ADAM BEACH says that Red Cloud had made the mistake of giving a great piece of gold to Custer and his mob, from the Black Hills, and that got them their land's stolen from them!)...
I believe that was President Useless S. Grant, as Booth had called him, and wasn't that Sherman???? (Aiden Quinn and Adam are talking excitedly about Fred Thompson, the actor, actually going to run for president... in the alternate disc. Wonder what they think of the Republican choice?)...
Yes, I do declare! T'was him! William TECUMSEH Sherman! The White Tecumseh!
Glass houses? Burnt Chimneys were about all the South had at that time! There's still one or two places with that same name in Virginia...
The Southerners were still on their 'reservations', with many 'reservations' about the Union!
No, in the Wild, Wild West, you are on your own! The South is a captured province. Didn't see any negroes, either, but I suppose that was by design as well! (The plan of the Northern Capitalists, all along!)
You daren't try and BLAME THAT ON US, AS WELL! We don't exist that this point, see?
Not even half of the blame. Nice try, though! (I do recall a Confederate flag with 'Cherokee Braves' on it, though...).
Beowulf
Read up on the Trail of Tears of the late 1830's. Or simply ask a Cherokee about it. I just cannot believe you are that ignorant of what happened to the Five Civilized Tribes in the South! Why did many Seminoles hide out in the Everglades?
__________________ "Those who forget to remember the past are condemned to repeat it", George Santayana.
Read up on the Trail of Tears of the late 1830's. Or simply ask a Cherokee about it. I just cannot believe you are that ignorant of what happened to the Five Civilized Tribes in the South! Why did many Seminoles hide out in the Everglades?
Or we could ask Beowulf to explain what the Confederate military governor out in Arizona/New Mexico was planning to do to the Apaches during the Civil War ... something about enslaving those who weren't to be killed, IIRR ... stirred up a little uproar back in the eastern Confederacy.
Tim
__________________ "Let us, then, consider all attempts to weaken this Union, by maintaining that each state is separately and individually independent, as a species of political heresy, which can never benefit us, but may bring on us the most serious distresses."
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina, 1740-1824, Revolutionary War soldier, one of the authors of the US Constitution in 1787, speaking at the South Carolina Ratifying Convention in 1788.
Read up on the Trail of Tears of the late 1830's. Or simply ask a Cherokee about it. I just cannot believe you are that ignorant of what happened to the Five Civilized Tribes in the South! Why did many Seminoles hide out in the Everglades?
From 1861 to 1865. Those are the years we were NOT associated with the US government...
The confederate years, under President Jefferson Davis.
In 1830, we were still the United States of America...
This renege on the Black Hills deal was pure Union. As was the resulting slaughter...
Or we could ask Beowulf to explain what the Confederate military governor out in Arizona/New Mexico was planning to do to the Apaches during the Civil War ... something about enslaving those who weren't to be killed, IIRR ... stirred up a little uproar back in the eastern Confederacy.
From Baylor's order to his subordinates: Use all means to persuade the Apaches or any tribe to come in for the purpose of making peace, and when you get them together kill all the grown Indians and take the children prisoners and sell them to defray the expense of killing the adult Indians. Buy whiskey and such other goods as may be necessary for the Indians and I will order vouchers given to cover the amount expended. Leave nothing undone to insure success, and have a sufficient number of men around to allow no Indian to escape.
But this diversion has nothing to do with the topic. If you actually want to explain that to us, start a new thread.
Tim
__________________ "Let us, then, consider all attempts to weaken this Union, by maintaining that each state is separately and individually independent, as a species of political heresy, which can never benefit us, but may bring on us the most serious distresses."
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina, 1740-1824, Revolutionary War soldier, one of the authors of the US Constitution in 1787, speaking at the South Carolina Ratifying Convention in 1788.
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
Many on this board have noted that misdirection is the stock-in-trade of hucksters and con artists.
Beowulf starts a thread "Telegraph from Major Robert Anderson" as if he has information about it and before we know it he is talking about Indians after the Civil War.
From Baylor's order to his subordinates: Use all means to persuade the Apaches or any tribe to come in for the purpose of making peace, and when you get them together kill all the grown Indians and take the children prisoners and sell them to defray the expense of killing the adult Indians. Buy whiskey and such other goods as may be necessary for the Indians and I will order vouchers given to cover the amount expended. Leave nothing undone to insure success, and have a sufficient number of men around to allow no Indian to escape.
But this diversion has nothing to do with the topic. If you actually want to explain that to us, start a new thread.
Tim
This is a balderdash lie.
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