Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.
Let me be more specific. In this world YOU have not earned the right to say this: 'Thank you for showing you dont know what your posting about.' to ME.
I understood you the first time, aparantly your inability to answer a question is my fault, that you are incapable of doing so and my commenting on that, is something you for yourself have decided i have not earnt the right to do, quite how anyone earns this right to which you refer, is beyond me, as is what i have or have not done in this world, so how you define my right is unkowable by you , so i guess your going to have to rephrase yet again as you cannot define this illusive right and know if i have met its definition.
other matters.
POTUS "The opinion that only Judges have the right to decide what laws are inconstional or constitional and what not, not only for them,selves in their own sphere of , would make teh judicuiary a despotic branch"
Upheld by SOTUS in NY Times v Sullivan.
No suprising, since the committe on teh form,ation of the SC in the first place said.
Madison
"the proposition pre supposes that dangerous power may not only be usurped and executed by the other department, but that the judiciary deprtment may also excercise or sanction dangerouse powers beyond the grant of the constition, and , consequently,that the ultimate right to the parties to the constition, to judge whether the compact has been violated as well as by another, by then judiciary as well as the legislative and the executive."
Back to the unaswered question that has nothing to do with the federal bank and any repugnence to the constition as it does not deall with the question put.
The answer to the question is that no citizens were bound by the constition, unless enumareted to do so, and since there was only states with citizens in the Union, and no such thing as a united states citizen except where the state he was a citizen of was also a member of the Union, only very few such inumarations exist, and the right of those citizens to leave that Union was thus expressed and not curtailed by constional clause.
Which was why the loyalty oath was used by federal officers, otherwise it would not be needed.
Which was why the civilain also take a loyalty oath, other wise it would not be needed.
And motre importatly why people could secede from that compact as thgey alone posses the sovriegnty to make or break treatys, and why sovreignty from all seperate states with citizens ended in the war and was repalced by legilation in late 65 to make all citizens of the united states, makeing secesion a thing of the past asa constitional remedy.
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__________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
Benjamin Franklin, 1759
Yet another incoherent drivel. You go from the Supremacy clause....then apparently the 1st Amendment, then you're off in lala land, again I might add, with respect to US citizenship, which we had discussed ad nauseum in a previous thread.
So now what's your point, that the Constitution is not binding on the people of states, now? You've been there and done that how many times now?
Only in your world is law not binding on people.
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Originally Posted by Hanny
I understood you the first time, aparantly your inability to answer a question is my fault, that you are incapable of doing so and my commenting on that, is something you for yourself have decided i have not earnt the right to do, quite how anyone earns this right to which you refer, is beyond me, as is what i have or have not done in this world, so how you define my right is unkowable by you , so i guess your going to have to rephrase yet again as you cannot define this illusive right and know if i have met its definition.
other matters.
POTUS "The opinion that only Judges have the right to decide what laws are inconstional or constitional and what not, not only for them,selves in their own sphere of , would make teh judicuiary a despotic branch"
Upheld by SOTUS in NY Times v Sullivan.
No suprising, since the committe on teh form,ation of the SC in the first place said.
Madison
"the proposition pre supposes that dangerous power may not only be usurped and executed by the other department, but that the judiciary deprtment may also excercise or sanction dangerouse powers beyond the grant of the constition, and , consequently,that the ultimate right to the parties to the constition, to judge whether the compact has been violated as well as by another, by then judiciary as well as the legislative and the executive."
Back to the unaswered question that has nothing to do with the federal bank and any repugnence to the constition as it does not deall with the question put.
The answer to the question is that no citizens were bound by the constition, unless enumareted to do so, and since there was only states with citizens in the Union, and no such thing as a united states citizen except where the state he was a citizen of was also a member of the Union, only very few such inumarations exist, and the right of those citizens to leave that Union was thus expressed and not curtailed by constional clause.
Which was why the loyalty oath was used by federal officers, otherwise it would not be needed.
Which was why the civilain also take a loyalty oath, other wise it would not be needed.
And motre importatly why people could secede from that compact as thgey alone posses the sovriegnty to make or break treatys, and why sovreignty from all seperate states with citizens ended in the war and was repalced by legilation in late 65 to make all citizens of the united states, makeing secesion a thing of the past asa constitional remedy.
Wandering into spanking territory, gentlemen. Please back of on the personal references. State your case and leave it at that.
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
I would say this thread is so far off from its origins, it should be moved, or at least portions of it. I don't recall the last time it mentioned Jefferson Davis
Noted that Beowulf hijacked his own thread, and that it has never been on-topic since approximately the #5 post. But some good discussion is going back and forth so I've seen no reason to lock it, so long as the discussions remain civil. Even then, I'd edit a post or call it to the webmasters' attention for an official warning.
Just so you know, Johan and I have limited powers: we can move threads (not posts), we can lock threads, we can edit posts, and we can have a warning issued. Anyone can bring a complaint to the attention of the webmasters (the triangle with the "!" in it).
The reason I didn't jump on Hanny's rude remark is that, by the time I saw it, you had already copied it and objected to it. To edit Hanny's, I'd have had to edit yours. In other words, the damage had been done.
You'd be doing me a favor if, the next time, you'd simply report the post and not respond to it. Each time a complaint is made, a checkmark goes against the offender's name (if the webmasters agree). At a certain level, a warning is issued. If the offense is great enough, the poster is banned, but this is all handled at the webmaster level.
Everyone could do the otherwise busy webmasters an enormous favor by simply remaining civil.
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
Exactly, CW. All of us can be a bit more judicious in our comments and our reactions to them. That is, try to be more adult but thicken the skin.
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
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