Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.
Davis was referring to the Union as a compact, which the Constitution never calls the Union.
The DOI was the legally voted founding document of the United States by the 2nd Continental Congress until 1781 when the Article of Confederation and Perpetual Union were adopted.
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"Those who forget to remember the past are condemned to repeat it", George Santayana.
This is a very interesting discussion. While at first look I expected it to be either a critique of Davis' book or maybe a semi-trial of Davis, I find that so far, it is a debate over what Davis said at one time versus what he said at another time, in retrospect.
This gives me (source of great ideas) an idea! As we know, Davis did languish in prison for some time while the authorities could not figure out what the heck to do about him. Eventually he was never tried for treason or any other crimes (as far as I know).
How about if we devoted a thread to a 'mock trial' of Jefferson Davis? I expect it may have been done on other websites, but we could do this all within our membership with volunteer real attorneys for both sides, and a real judge as the judge, etc. I would think that among our membership there would be at least one judge in real life, and at least 2 real life attorneys. From there we could have the attorneys ask for CWT members to act as witnesses, and everybody else not directly involved in the testimony would end up being the jury.
Of course it would require that the judge would need to have admin powers so to keep "order in the court", and so we must have Ole as Sargent-at-Arms if he is not real life qualified for the judge.
What do you think? If there is any interest I'll start a thread asking for volunteers as a judge and as 2 attorneys, and then go from there.
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This is a very interesting discussion. While at first look I expected it to be either a critique of Davis' book or maybe a semi-trial of Davis, I find that so far, it is a debate over what Davis said at one time versus what he said at another time, in retrospect.
This gives me (source of great ideas) an idea! As we know, Davis did languish in prison for some time while the authorities could not figure out what the heck to do about him. Eventually he was never tried for treason or any other crimes (as far as I know).
How about if we devoted a thread to a 'mock trial' of Jefferson Davis? I expect it may have been done on other websites, but we could do this all within our membership with volunteer real attorneys for both sides, and a real judge as the judge, etc. I would think that among our membership there would be at least one judge in real life, and at least 2 real life attorneys. From there we could have the attorneys ask for CWT members to act as witnesses, and everybody else not directly involved in the testimony would end up being the jury.
Of course it would require that the judge would need to have admin powers so to keep "order in the court", and so we must have Ole as Sargent-at-Arms if he is not real life qualified for the judge.
What do you think? If there is any interest I'll start a thread asking for volunteers as a judge and as 2 attorneys, and then go from there.
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Very well. I shall volunteer to defend President Jefferson Davis, pro bono, and shall offer my services as his counsel.
I am a former law enforcement officer with some experience in moot court, and in real life criminal, and traffic courts. I worked in both Virginia and Florida, and
was also dual certified in corrections and BLE (basic Law enforcement).
I have also had some college courses and almost have a two year degree (which I never completed) towards
a criminal justice degree.
I understand the workings of a legal proceeding, and also
have actually seen this case 'tried' in the past, so I know what points to strike as the proceedings advance. (Besides that, I am a huge fan of John Grisham, and Boston Legal!).
I assume the charge will include Treason against the United States government, and various violations of the military codes, as well?
In discovery, and also in opening statements, Mr. Davis has some interesting presentments which will set him on solid ground for his defense.
Please the court, I should like to assume this position as
counsel for the defense. (I should also like to retain the services of Battalion, should he be
willing to sit as co-counsel in this matter).
G. Beowulf, Esq.
__________________ If the South accepted Sectional Left Wing Republican Rule, their property would be devalued, by being outlawed unconstitutionally in the territories, and suffer terrorism by Brown's mob ,... their economy would be in shambles... The effect is that the South is not any longer an equal part of the Union.
If the South tried to gain independence from these Left wing Republicans, the North will destroy them all... and curse their memory for all eternity....
Have called the thread to the attention of the supermods as I fear the first posts might be in violation of copyright laws.
As I don't have the Davis apologia, I cannot read what the current publisher has to say about its rights or granting requisite permission. Therefore, comparing his later work with his prewar resolutions might become quite cumbersome.
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
Have called the thread to the attention of the supermods as I fear the first posts might be in violation of copyright laws.
As I don't have the Davis apologia, I cannot read what the current publisher has to say about its rights or granting requisite permission. Therefore, comparing his later work with his prewar resolutions might become quite cumbersome.
ole
"The EBook of The Rise and Fall of the Confederate
Government, by Jefferson Davis
This eBook is for the use of anyone anywhere at no cost and with
almost no restrictions whatsoever. You may copy it, give it away or
re-use it under the terms of the License included
with this eBook".
(TERMS: If you charge for it, then you owe them a copyright royalty...)
If you use the name of their eBook company, then you have to post the full and complete disclaimer they provide....
I have not used the name of the company.
The current publisher is listed as having given his permission for this version, and for the above listed free usages.
This book is listed as not copyrighted in the United States. ( Because of the North, that still includes the Southern Confederacy!).
I believe the president is thus free to speak his mind, herein...
Beowulf
__________________ If the South accepted Sectional Left Wing Republican Rule, their property would be devalued, by being outlawed unconstitutionally in the territories, and suffer terrorism by Brown's mob ,... their economy would be in shambles... The effect is that the South is not any longer an equal part of the Union.
If the South tried to gain independence from these Left wing Republicans, the North will destroy them all... and curse their memory for all eternity....
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
IN RE: The people of the United States versus Jefferson Finis Davis, the defense wishes to enter to the charge
of Treason the plea of Not Guilty.
On any charges of Incitement to Rebellion and Anarchy, the defense wishes to plead Not Guilty.
On the charges of any military offenses, or any involvement in the assassination conspiracy against the life of one Abraham Lincoln, the defense wishes to plead Not Guilty.
On the charges of Collusion and Conspiracy to Commit a Crime with the
person known as J. Wilkes Booth, actor, and admitted
assassin of one Abraham Lincoln, the defense wishes to
enter the plea of Not Guilty.
Sworn by me this 30th day of March, in the year of our Lord, two thousand and eight.
The Defense waives its right to seat the jury, and will accept the jury as selected by the
prosecution, and/ or the governing body of this court.
The Defense would like to waive Discovery, and any motions to Discover, and is prepared at this time for opening statements.
G. Beowulf, Esq.
Counsel for former President Jefferson Davis, CSA.
__________________ If the South accepted Sectional Left Wing Republican Rule, their property would be devalued, by being outlawed unconstitutionally in the territories, and suffer terrorism by Brown's mob ,... their economy would be in shambles... The effect is that the South is not any longer an equal part of the Union.
If the South tried to gain independence from these Left wing Republicans, the North will destroy them all... and curse their memory for all eternity....
Jefferson Davis - THE RISE & FALL OF THE CONFEDERATE GOVERNMENT
Davis, made a show of defending SC from the charge of being precipitate in it's handling of the affairs at Ft. sumter, but in fact, Davis, as soon as he was President, made sure to establish firm control of the situation in Charleston Harbor.
SC needed not defending since Davis and the confederate gov't was in complete control, at the time of the firing on Ft. Sumter and the starting of the war, Not SC.
Believe the charge concerned the difference between what Davis said prewar opposed to what he explained post war. He is not on trial for treason, nor rebellion, nor conspiring to take the life of one Abraham Lincoln.
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
Believe the charge concerned the difference between what Davis said prewar opposed to what he explained post war. He is not on trial for treason, nor rebellion, nor conspiring to take the life of one Abraham Lincoln.
ole
If SamGrant and I have our way, he will be! I seek to put paid to the question of the
Federal government and their treatment of him during the two years before his release.
I want to show that he was guilty of nothing! I am most eager that he should have his day in court...
Beowulf
__________________ If the South accepted Sectional Left Wing Republican Rule, their property would be devalued, by being outlawed unconstitutionally in the territories, and suffer terrorism by Brown's mob ,... their economy would be in shambles... The effect is that the South is not any longer an equal part of the Union.
If the South tried to gain independence from these Left wing Republicans, the North will destroy them all... and curse their memory for all eternity....
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