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What has the Dahlgren affair to do with the Assissination Conspiracy? Are you just blowing smoke again?
ole
WIKIPEDIA:
One theory about the Lincoln Assassination holds that the Dahlgren Papers' discovery instigated the chain of events ending in John Wilkes Booth's murder of Abraham Lincoln the next year. Steers, in his history of the assassination Blood on the Moon, traces the assassination conspiracy's origins to this event. Though they offer a different theory of the assassination that is bitterly at odds with Steers' interpretation, Ray Neff and Leonard Guttridge also agree on the Dahlgren affair's role. Sears summarizes the relationship between Dahlgren and Booth as follows:
"Judson Kilpatrick, Ulric Dahlgren, and their probable patron Edwin Stanton set out to engineer the death of the Confederacy's president; the legacy spawned out of the utter failure of their effort may have included the death of their own president"
Beowulf
__________________ If the South accepted Sectional Left Wing Republican Rule, their property would be devalued, by being outlawed unconstitutionally in the territories, and suffer terrorism by Brown's mob ,... their economy would be in shambles... The effect is that the South is not any longer an equal part of the Union.
If the South tried to gain independence from these Left wing Republicans, the North will destroy them all... and curse their memory for all eternity....
Mudd received a gift of bottles of booze from Booth months before the murder. An odd thing to do for a person one hadn't met!
The Dahlgren affair stunned the South. A letter demanding the murder of elected citizens was considered unfair and would explain why the North denied the charges and the South read it in headlines. Once the door was opened to assassination, anyone can play.
Personally I think Booth was a ham. I mean, shooting a President, stopping in flight, breaking your leg, so you can do a final scene is the ultimate in the egotistical actor. As a director, I would have told him to stop grand standing.
Mudd received a gift of bottles of booze from Booth months before the murder. An odd thing to do for a person one hadn't met!
The Dahlgren affair stunned the South. A letter demanding the murder of elected citizens was considered unfair and would explain why the North denied the charges and the South read it in headlines. Once the door was opened to assassination, anyone can play.
Personally I think Booth was a ham. I mean, shooting a President, stopping in flight, breaking your leg, so you can do a final scene is the ultimate in the egotistical actor. As a director, I would have told him to stop grand standing.
But that's just me.
'Assassination is a privilege reserved only for tyrants, and dictators'...
Watch any movie on Julius Caesar, pro or con to old Julius, does not matter, and you can usually hear the conspirators hashing out the 'very idea' of applying it to Julius, in their planning stages!
Whenever this country will admit to an even neutral film being made about Lincoln, we might get to see these ideas brought out in detail...
When J. Wilkes Booth stops being portrayed as Lee Harvey Oswald! Note the polar opposites both these men were in personality, deportment, and popularity!
Beowulf
(Of course, in order for all this to happen, we are going to have to finally hear all the
events that we know happened to Booth, and try to track down the missing diary pages,
and stop this very limited telling of the story! (Rots of Ruck on that ever happening!)
__________________ If the South accepted Sectional Left Wing Republican Rule, their property would be devalued, by being outlawed unconstitutionally in the territories, and suffer terrorism by Brown's mob ,... their economy would be in shambles... The effect is that the South is not any longer an equal part of the Union.
If the South tried to gain independence from these Left wing Republicans, the North will destroy them all... and curse their memory for all eternity....
Of the conspirators I always felt sorry for Samuel Arnold. All he did was hold onto Booth's horse while Booth went inside to kill the President. The prosecution made him out to be a dimwit because he didn't try to hide- actually not hiding would imply to me he had no idea what Booth was going to do.
John Surratt escaped to Canada and outlived everyone in the case. He gave lectures, and said the Confederate government had no idea what Booth and his gang had been planning.
Surratt's mother has often been portrayed as innocent, but she apparently had been involved with securing guns. Mudd clearly wasn't innocent at all.
Yet it is odd, that one of the few conspiracies ever proven, is lost in schools where people are taught it was John Wilkes Booth that did it.
I'm surprised Harry Turtledove has never written on what would have happened if the original plan, to kidnap Lincoln, had happened! Now there's a movie!
Brian Dirck, who wrote the blog A. Lincoln Blog, and is author of the book, "Lincoln the Lawyer." wrote a great series of posts on a Lincoln kidnapping.
Of the conspirators I always felt sorry for Samuel Arnold. All he did was hold onto Booth's horse while Booth went inside to kill the President. The prosecution made him out to be a dimwit because he didn't try to hide- actually not hiding would imply to me he had no idea what Booth was going to do.
John Surratt escaped to Canada and outlived everyone in the case. He gave lectures, and said the Confederate government had no idea what Booth and his gang had been planning.
Surratt's mother has often been portrayed as innocent, but she apparently had been involved with securing guns. Mudd clearly wasn't innocent at all.
Yet it is odd, that one of the few conspiracies ever proven, is lost in schools where people are taught it was John Wilkes Booth that did it.
I'm surprised Harry Turtledove has never written on what would have happened if the original plan, to kidnap Lincoln, had happened! Now there's a movie!
I would like to have known exactly what happened with the real John Wilkes Booth, as there is some though that they didn't get the right man at the Garrett Farm (A scar and a tattoo were said to have proven it was him, but a couple yanks who knew Booth said it was not him...).
No photos of the body! No gloating over the corpse!
This will never do. I want to see a movie where Booth escapes according to the legends!
Beowulf
__________________ If the South accepted Sectional Left Wing Republican Rule, their property would be devalued, by being outlawed unconstitutionally in the territories, and suffer terrorism by Brown's mob ,... their economy would be in shambles... The effect is that the South is not any longer an equal part of the Union.
If the South tried to gain independence from these Left wing Republicans, the North will destroy them all... and curse their memory for all eternity....
Did Booth know about the Dahlgren raid? Did it influence his state of mind or thinking? Were plots against Lincoln's life or the kidnapping plot, going on independently of the Dahlgren raid?
Actually I don't know the answer to any of those questions. If the answers are no, then Booth's assassination conspiracy(attacks on Lincon, Johnson and Seward) would have proceeded if the Dahlgren raid had never happened. If yes, then how did it influence Booth?
The discovery of the letter outlining who to kill from Jefferson Davis on was all over the Southern press of the day. The Northern press didn't acknowledge what it was to have said, but instead dismissed it as forgery.
"Until this point, though terribly bloody, the Civil War had been a gentleman's affair, fought by gentlemen's rules, with flags of truce and gallant messages between opposing commanders. The Dahlgren papers seemed a wholesale violation. Richmond newspapers screamed the news of the North's barbarity: "The Last Raid of the Infernals!"
DJ: Compliments, sir. You do demonstate a level of comprehension that's most welcome. The mishmash involving and surrounding the "conspiracy" to assainate Lincoln, his VP and the Secretary of State is, indeed, a puzzlement -- wide open for speculation.
Although I normally reject conspiracy theories, I must admit that there were some overly strange coincidences involving the assassination. Makes for some interesting speculation, doesn't it?
ole
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