Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.
I'm not sure what aspect of the Civil War this applies to, because it would have been an issue in most Northern States that allowed slavery as well - and there were quite a few of them.
I'd be grateful if you would name the Northern States that allowed slavery.
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
I'd be grateful if you would name the Northern States that allowed slavery.
ole
I guess I'd have top answer your question with another. In how many Northern States was slavery legal?
__________________ Don
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__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
I don't want to seem argumentative, but frankly I find this thread in extremely poor taste. I would suspect African-Americans would probably be offended as well.
I'm not sure what aspect of the Civil War this applies to, because it would have been an issue in most Northern States that allowed slavery as well - and there were quite a few of them.
DHPatrick,
The African-Americans you think would be offended by this thread were the ones who brought the subject up, if you have read all of the posts in this particular thread.
What I think they find most offensive is that the practice of slave-breeding did take place and that there is historical evidence of it having done so.
History is not always about being brave or heroic, it sometimes is very ugly and not pretty to look upon, but it is what it is.
Sincerely,
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
I'd be grateful if you would name the Northern States that allowed slavery.
ole
According to the Census of 1840...11 of 15 Northern states still had slaves residing within their boundaries.
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According to the Census of 1840...11 of 15 Northern states still had slaves residing within their boundaries.
Thanks for the information, but I did ask for the names.
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
1860 would be a good date. I believe we both know that slavery was still legally accepted in areas of the North. Washington DC didn't abolish it until 1862.
I suspect money had something to do with it.
__________________ Don
******************* "We Can, We Will" Website:http://www.myspace.com/dhpatrick Member of: American Legion, VFW, SCV Served with: 1st Sqdn, 9th US Cav Regt * 4th Sqdn, 9th US Cav Regt * V US Corps Ancestors with:
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32d Miss Inf Regt * 50th Ala Inf Regt * 58th Ala Inf Regt
8th Ga Inf Regt * 40th Ga Inf Regt * 4th Ark Inf Regt
3d Regt Arizona Bde (Tx State)
The African-Americans you think would be offended by this thread were the ones who brought the subject up, if you have read all of the posts in this particular thread.
What I think they find most offensive is that the practice of slave-breeding did take place and that there is historical evidence of it having done so.
History is not always about being brave or heroic, it sometimes is very ugly and not pretty to look upon, but it is what it is.
Sincerely,
Unionblue
I guess my breeding is what causes me to realize it is in poor taste. I may not be able to speak for everyone else.
__________________ Don
******************* "We Can, We Will" Website:http://www.myspace.com/dhpatrick Member of: American Legion, VFW, SCV Served with: 1st Sqdn, 9th US Cav Regt * 4th Sqdn, 9th US Cav Regt * V US Corps Ancestors with:
2d Miss Inf Regt * 2d Miss Inf State Regt * 26th Miss Inf Regt
32d Miss Inf Regt * 50th Ala Inf Regt * 58th Ala Inf Regt
8th Ga Inf Regt * 40th Ga Inf Regt * 4th Ark Inf Regt
3d Regt Arizona Bde (Tx State)
Just wanted to add, that the Native American Indian tribe; Blackfoot are very dark skinned, as to pass as African-American. Yet, they were a very distinct tribe.
Further, it must be remembered that the offenses of the past are not our offenses. The true offense is not learning, understanding and discussing things that are difficult and not in the best of tastes for today's standards and or 'politically correct.'
My opinion is, that we do a great disservous to those who lived before us and lived history we (in general) are studying today.
The United States did not invent slavery. Slavery existed since civilization and before; when prisoners of war became slaves to those who had won the battle, war and or action. The exporting prisoners of war to nations seeking cheap/free labor and those who wanted to profit by being rid of their prisoners for a profit; was as a means of business --The African nations did nothing different from the Greeks and or Romans. Only difference is 'skin color.' There is little in the way of an outcry of the enslavement of white races yet; slavery, breeding slaves and the like existed and is not exclusively an African-American historical event. The Native American Indians became enslaved to both African-Americans and White Americans so--there is plenty of history of slavery to be studied there also; however some ethnic groups move on past history; not dwell on it as to use it as a 'guilt trip' and or 'manipulation' over other ethnic groups.
Just some thoughts.
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
M. E. Wolf
The Native American Indians became enslaved to both African-Americans and White Americans so--there is plenty of history of slavery to be studied there also; however some ethnic groups move on past history; not dwell on it as to use it as a 'guilt trip' and or 'manipulation' over other ethnic groups.
I think you'll find far more blacks were enslaved by the Cherokee alone than Indians of all tribes combined were enslaved by blacks. Come to think of it, when and where were Indians ever enslaved by blacks?
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