Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.
"There was a solemn agreement, an armistice, existing at Charleston, entered into by the United States Government and South Carolina officials on December 6, 1860; and a special agreement, armistice, at Pensacola, entered into by the United States and Florida authorities on January 29th, 1861.
There was a truce of sorts at Pensacola. Trice has pointed out how seriously the secesh regarded that: nevermind the truce, if you get a chance, take it.
I know of no armistice or written agreement regarding Ft. Sumter on file at the War Department. Perhaps you'd favor us with the text, rather than rely on the word of, Johnstone, is it?
I understand that somewhere around then, three commisioners from Charleston got an unofficial audience with President Buchanan, but they didn't get him to sign anything. And if there were an understanding, Pickens blew that when he insisted that SC troops occupy Ft. Sumter.
Checking the timeline to see if I can find reference to a written agreement, but I doubt it. It's so much easier to prove that something exists than to demonstrate that it doesn't, won't you oblige us?
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
There was a truce of sorts at Pensacola. Trice has pointed out how seriously the secesh regarded that: nevermind the truce, if you get a chance, take it.
I know of no armistice or written agreement regarding Ft. Sumter on file at the War Department. Perhaps you'd favor us with the text, rather than rely on the word of, Johnstone, is it?
I understand that somewhere around then, three commisioners from Charleston got an unofficial audience with President Buchanan, but they didn't get him to sign anything. And if there were an understanding, Pickens blew that when he insisted that SC troops occupy Ft. Sumter.
Checking the timeline to see if I can find reference to a written agreement, but I doubt it. It's so much easier to prove that something exists than to demonstrate that it doesn't, won't you oblige us?
ole
At the moment, that is all I know on the subject! Johnstone says it is on file in the US military records. I have never heard of it, outside of this WAR CONSPIRACY writing!
Sorry...
Beowulf
(It may seem odd, or even 'Lost Cause', to give weight to such writings, but they do exist, and if they are false, then that should be proven... but many times nuggets of truth get found in the most blatant one-sidednesses, and even these must be factored in, and not left out to keep from 'confusing' anyone to the proper attitude they should have for a subject.
I tell all historians; "Don't tell me what to think nor how to think it. Tell what what happened, and I'll decide what to think of it."
Section Nine, Enumeration One of the Confederate Constitution forbids the importation 'of Negroes of the African Race' into the Southern Confederacy.
The goal, as explained by Davis, was to
allow those with slaves to travel about unhindered and
without committing any 'crimes' while taking their slaves with them.
Source for the supposed comment by Davis?
He was also quick to point out that this was not to 'advance slavery', since the total numbers of slaves would always be the same, and no new slaves would be added, save for the offspring of the already-enslaved, and these he himself was seeking to compensatedly emancipate.
In short, he was doing what Lincoln should have been doing, and would have done, had there been any money in it, or a chance for him to be reelected...
Sorry, I had to wipe the tears of laughter away from my eyes. Again the proof that Davis said this?
Your views of Southern Confederate slavery are about as
wrong as anything you have ever accused the revisionists of writing!
Someday you might see this...
Not if you keep us in stitches with absurd comments as you give above, all without any source or evidence.
Beowulf
"...[Davis] he himself was seeking to compensatedly emancipate."
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
Beowulf has consistently admitted that he hasn't read history, but takes his cues from those writers published by Confederate Reprint. After all, they are the only ones who write what he likes to read. (Everyone else is a Yankee conspirator.) He is unaware of the recorded exchanges between officials on any subject, and is more than happy to take the word of charlatans without checking their sources -- if any.
(Balance erased as extraneous and beginning a fruitless rant. There! I've edited myself.)
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
There were to have been eight. Two were gunships (Powhattan and Pawnee), four were tugs (Uncle Ben, Yankee, Hook and Freeborn), one was a steamer (Baltic) and one was a cutter (Harriet Lane)...
ole
Fort Sumter Relief Force
U.S.S. Powhatan
2415 Tons
Armament*- 3 (Three 12-pounders)
Carrying 300 additional seamen to assist in the resupply/reinforcement effort.
(Never arrived.)
Baltic (transport)
Armament- None
Carrying 200 troops (artillerists) for the re-inforcement of Fort Sumter.
Gunboats
Thomas Freeborn
269 Tons
Armament*- 2 (Two 32-pounders)
(Never arrived.)
Uncle Ben
Captured by pro-secessionists off the coast of North Carolina.
Yankee
328 Tons
Armament*- 2 (Two 32-pounders)
*earliest report in proximity to the time of Fort Sumter
__________________ POWER & MONEY
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
Not a formidable fleet, even if assembled. But, In Fact, only the Pawnee, Harriet Lane and the Baltic arrived on station outside Charleston Harbor. A day late, because of a storm, in time to find the Ft Sumter already under fire.
The Pocahantas arrived a few hours After Baltice had left the Harbor with the Sumter Garrison' of the tugs, only the Yankee arrived on station, like the Pocahantas, too late to be of any service to the Ft.
RISE AND FALL - on line - the whole thing pops up in your face, and you can read it yourself! (And some other sources you refuse to look at!)
You made the claim, you post the source, not just the title. Chapter, page, and quote, if you can.
You have no idea!
Beowulf
You can't bluff, you either have a winning hand or you don't. Show 'em, or fold 'em.
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
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