Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.
You are simply incredible. The man makes a post, and then you attack him for making a statement which you then admit he didn't make!
It is always easy to win a debate when you are debating a straw man, since you create it yourself.
That being said, I honor Jefferson Davis. He was a traitor (yes, I know he was not convicted, but then neither was John Wilkes Booth). I have no doubt that if the government tried him he would have been convicted of treason, but there was no reason to have such a trial. He was, however, also a hero of the Mexican War, an able Secretary of War, and a man of his convictions - however wrong I believe those convictions to be. He was also, fortunately or unfortunately, a pretty poor president for the Confederacy and would have better served the cause as Secretary of War (or maybe even in the field, where he thought he would be).
You got me beat, Hoss!
You claim I am off my rocker, and then you whirl around and honor a 'traitor'? (AHH! You voted for him before you voted against him!)
Lincoln would have had you in irons over writing the above! You do not HURRAH JEFF DAVIS in any form in Lincoln's empire, no matter how you
justify it!
I have no doubt that if the government had tried him, he would have been acquitted!
(The government itself also had no doubt of that!).
And Booth was not a traitor; he was an assassin. He never pretended to support the Liberal Republican mob in Washington City, nor its leader!
And killing a tyrant is not treason! (Julius Caesar).
Beowulf
__________________ If the South accepted Sectional Left Wing Republican Rule, their property would be devalued, by being outlawed unconstitutionally in the territories, and suffer terrorism by Brown's mob ,... their economy would be in shambles... The effect is that the South is not any longer an equal part of the Union.
If the South tried to gain independence from these Left wing Republicans, the North will destroy them all... and curse their memory for all eternity....
You never spent a single second in the confederacy, so he wasn't your president.
The confederacy was an illegal organization to start with, so legally he wasn't anyone's president.
Note for the record, I don't claim he's an evil person. Just that he's not your president, nor was he legally anyone else's.
Regards,
Cash
DUDE!
I have spent most of my life here in the Confederacy. We never surrendered, you see? THE CONFEDERACY NEVER SURRENDERED!
We are still the Confederacy! The True Conservative Party still exists! (although, now we have three different names...)
So was the United States of America an 'illegal organization', originally! But a treaty with each of the colonies from a couple of close call victories, and guess what you get? That's what Revolution does, my friend! It adds that touch of legitimacy to any occasion!
From that exchange, we got ourselves a Confederation of Colonies!
WINNING gave us our independence. But WINNING also gave the NORTH a Consolidated
Federal system which gave the Second Party, unfortunately, military legitimacy. They have spent the last 150 years trying to get the other kind of legitimacy to go with it, but continue to fail!
Davis was our president over a period of years. 1861-1865.
Lincoln was NEVER our president; he was our military captor for five days.
Beowulf
__________________ If the South accepted Sectional Left Wing Republican Rule, their property would be devalued, by being outlawed unconstitutionally in the territories, and suffer terrorism by Brown's mob ,... their economy would be in shambles... The effect is that the South is not any longer an equal part of the Union.
If the South tried to gain independence from these Left wing Republicans, the North will destroy them all... and curse their memory for all eternity....
I have spent most of my life here in the Confederacy. We never surrendered, you see? THE CONFEDERACY NEVER SURRENDERED!
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Do you pay taxes to the confederate government? Do you have a confederate drivers license? Have you served on a jury in the confederate court system?
We are still the Confederacy!
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Delusional. Seek professional help.
You claim I am off my rocker, and then you whirl around and honor a 'traitor'? (AHH! You voted for him before you voted against him!)
Lincoln would have had you in irons over writing the above! You do not HURRAH JEFF DAVIS in any form in Lincoln's empire, no matter how you
justify it!
I have no doubt that if the government had tried him, he would have been acquitted!
(The government itself also had no doubt of that!).
And Booth was not a traitor; he was an assassin. He never pretended to support the Liberal Republican mob in Washington City, nor its leader!
And killing a tyrant is not treason! (Julius Caesar).
Beowulf
I also honor Robert E. Lee, a traitor to his oath to the Union, but an honorable man none-the-less. I can admire a man his convictions even when I think him wrong.
I think Longstreet was a very honorable man, as were a number of the Rebs. Jackson was a loon, but you have to admire his convictions in his faith and the rightness of his cause.
And yes, Booth was a traitor. He killed the duly elected leader of the government.
Whether you think Lincoln a tyrant - and you clearly do - it was still treason. A true revolutionary embraces treason, he does not reason it away.
__________________ "There must be more historians of the Civil War than there were generals figthing in it... Of the two groups, the historians are the more belligerent." David Donald, Lincoln Reconsidered (1961)
And killing a tyrant is not treason! (Julius Caesar).
So Booth's a hero?
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And Booth was not a traitor; he was an assassin.
He was a cowardly, cold-blooded, fame-seeking murderer. "Assassin" implies some kind of status. Booth had none. He couldn't gain enough notoriety from his attempts at acting, so he sought "immortality" by murdering the president, in front of his wife. How noble.
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by Beowulf
I have spent most of my life here in the Confederacy. We never surrendered, you see? THE CONFEDERACY NEVER SURRENDERED!
There never existed a Confederate States of America. It never happened. 620,000 men and boys fought and died to decide that issue.
__________________ "In this great struggle, this form of Government and every form of human right is endangered if our enemies succeed. There is more involved in this contest than is realized by every one." Abraham Lincoln - August 18, 1864 Speech to the 164th Ohio Regiment
He was a cowardly, cold-blooded, fame-seeking murderer. "Assassin" implies some kind of status. Booth had none. He couldn't gain enough notoriety from his attempts at acting, so he sought "immortality" by murdering the president, in front of his wife. How noble.
There never existed a Confederate States of America. It never happened. 620,000 men and boys fought and died to decide that issue.
I am torn concerning Booth. If he had really wanted to help the South, he should have done it long before April
of 1865.
I think he was an agent of the Radical Republican Liberals in Congress, and purposely waited until the end of the war, because that is when 'someone' hired him to do the job! Then, he wanted to double-dip and get Southern credit but it was too late!
I don't think he was really captured, and the story was fabricated to become legend. I just have a feeling that
certain designing people kept those padded torture hoods on the conspirators before their executions to SHUT THEM UP! (AMERICAN BRUTUS).
I think he was allowed to escape, but was forced into hiding, rather like Butch Cassidy was...
Think about it. Let him escape, and then 'kill' him later!
(or someone roughly matching his description).
If they capture Booth, Booth would tell all about the conspiracy and name big names in Congress, or whomever!
No, I think Booth lived, but had to stay silent because of the conspiracy...
It's just an opinion... I am not staking anything on it...
But Booth a hero? Naaahhh.
(ASSASSIN sounds cool, but it doesn't imply any other status! )
He was an acclaimed actor. (Of course he didn't think he was popular enough! They never get enough!).
There NEVER existed a CSA? It never happened?
Isn't that the first step to something like Holocaust Denial?
You are scaring me, buddy!
Beowulf
__________________ If the South accepted Sectional Left Wing Republican Rule, their property would be devalued, by being outlawed unconstitutionally in the territories, and suffer terrorism by Brown's mob ,... their economy would be in shambles... The effect is that the South is not any longer an equal part of the Union.
If the South tried to gain independence from these Left wing Republicans, the North will destroy them all... and curse their memory for all eternity....
Well, bless your soul. Casher! Thanks for the post!
Hey! All Ya'll! It's at this galileo-post thingy! Read it!
And now, you don't think... what?
A). Any of this happened?
B). He (They) never said that?
C). The guy is weird because he is talking to his Blade?
What's your problem with this?
Whence be Yon piece 'propaganda', ye Rascal?
Beowulf
__________________ If the South accepted Sectional Left Wing Republican Rule, their property would be devalued, by being outlawed unconstitutionally in the territories, and suffer terrorism by Brown's mob ,... their economy would be in shambles... The effect is that the South is not any longer an equal part of the Union.
If the South tried to gain independence from these Left wing Republicans, the North will destroy them all... and curse their memory for all eternity....
What happened, was Beowulf decided to enter the thread.
Beowulf is clearly incapable of staying on a single subject longer than 2 or 3 lines at a time.
Unfortunately, the 'cause' defended by Davis (and today's revisionists) has been tainted by what that cause defended; Slavery. Because of this, I have no great feeling for Davis or his cause. But I would not fight against any commeoration the south feels would present Davis in a more favorable light to the world at large. But, if I may suggest, such requires a willingness to be seen as going against the temper of the times and history.
We know that many revisionists are more than willing to take on the task. But does the south, as a whole, really want to be seen in their company, much less as their spokesmen?
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