Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.
I am confused as to your post. Are you saying GENTILE, as in non-Jewish, or are you saying GENTEEL, as in something the modern world has absolutely no clue concerning?
The process of incriminating each and every scrap of Southern cullture is as annoying, as atrocious, as uncalled for, and as much a product of the Yankee victory as is the absolute dumbing-down of our knowledge of history, spelling, and diction.
To have so many members with higher education degrees on this forum, you would think that spelling, to say nothing of sentence-structure and syntax, would be clearly evidenced, if not paramount, among our writings...
Yet another tragedy brought to us by the Northern invasion.
Beowulf
I would also recommend highly that Jefferson Davis be completely ignored in studying anything 'seriously' pertaining to that era of history. These modern 'historians' would fold up and blow away like chaff in trying to denigrate his writings. There might even be some latter-day converts to the ideologies he presents. Of course, Davis would have an unfair advantage, being truly EDUCATED, and being able to hold a thought or an idea through to its edification. If the Lincoln crowd could hang on through the well-manicured gardens of his
ideas, and not get 'bored' with the journey through a mature adult's reasoning process,
they might (most likely would) be converted. That is a danger none of them has ever dared, I notice. I'll bet none of them has ever seriously contemplated THE RISE AND FALL OF THE CONFEDERATE GOVERNMENT by Jefferson Davis.
To read the man, at all, is to begin to understand the media control established by Lincoln and continued through McPherson and
Cooper. To try and understand where he is coming from will have the effect of unseating those who have tried to make Second Party citizens of us all, through the years, and controlling our thoughts, making us all automatons of the New World Order. Jefferson Davis' clarity and insight would, if comprehended, absolutely unearth the awful truth of what was really destroyed in those four years of the invasion. We can't afford it, for Truth never dies; it just lays here until CSI says, "Over here! Look!"
No, there's no reason to celebrate Davis, yet. We would have absolutely no idea what we were talking about. We have a hard enough time keeping the one for whom he was named in a large enough box...
Give us Barrabas!
Much as it chagrins me to admit it, I believe my yankee nemesis Union Blue was on target with his jousting on your behalf.
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Dear Mr. B. Wulf: I think I know your game. You really have no use for authentic Civil War history, or getting at the truth. The reason you've concocted your own version of it is to see if you can successfully provoke someone on the board into an exchange or argument that they can't win. It's entertainment for you and you thrive on it. You're a provocateur. That's what you do. Why else would you attack someone's entire post, based on the supposed misspelling of one word? Whatsa matter, are we bored today Mr. Wulf? Couldn't get anyone to come out and play? You're a gomer, man.
go·mer ˈgoʊmər/Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[goh-mer]Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun Slang. 1. an undesirable hospital patient.
Terry
He did NOT misspell it! I was merely trying to see if he meant GENTILE or GENTEEL! And I wasn't referring to him, so much as some I have seen who can't spell but can certainly attack!
(I think he meant GENTEEL).
This whole post attacks our president. It was set up for that purpose, and it did get the initial rise out of me which I believe was its object. I also read the entire thing, and could glean nothing further out of it than an inflammatory slight to Davis' anniversary.
Cooper writes a whole bio on Davis, and then concludes with trash like 'let's don't make a celebration out of it'.
How objective can his bio be seen as having been, in light of that? And since when do we need his permission to reenact the events of the past? I could care less what he thinks of reenacting!
And you want to seem indignant with me because I seem to support Davis, and dare to see him as something other than a vehicle for derision? That I am not in lock-step with you?
As Christopher Plummer (as Sherlock Holmes) said in MURDER BY DECREE:
"If I sound offensive, sir, you may take it I am offended!"
But I am not really offended. I just consider the source, and do what I can to correct the spelling and the messages. The attitudes, themselves, I fear, are LOST CAUSES!
I am just trying to add balance.
Beowulf
__________________ If the South accepted Sectional Left Wing Republican Rule, their property would be devalued, by being outlawed unconstitutionally in the territories, and suffer terrorism by Brown's mob ,... their economy would be in shambles... The effect is that the South is not any longer an equal part of the Union.
If the South tried to gain independence from these Left wing Republicans, the North will destroy them all... and curse their memory for all eternity....
He did NOT misspell it! I was merely trying to see if he meant GENTILE or GENTEEL! And I wasn't referring to him, so much as some I have seen who can't spell but can certainly attack!
Not just for Beowulf! (Where's my mod hat?) We've existed for years on bad spelling, abysmal grammar and atrocious manners. And even worse typing. Is it too much to ask that we continue with that tolerance? I see no useful purpose to allow such little stuff to interfere with the point of a post.
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
I can't join this mild love fest for Jeff Davis for history gives this man a pass. He was the leader of a false cause that led to the death tens of thousands of Americans and he order the first shots of the war. He should be reviled the same way the Kaiser and Hitler are for the wars of great death they cause.
One of the few redeeming things about him was he work for the south and his incompentance at managing the Rebel government and war effort was one of the main reasons for their defeat.
He is not a victim of political correctness but a victim of being an unredeemed traitor.
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"States Rights are about States Wrongs" - Jesse Jackson
I can't joy this mild love fest for Jeff Davis for history gives this man a pass. He was the leader of a false cause that led to the death tens of thousands of Americans and he order the first shots of the war. He should be reviled the same way the Kaiser and Hitler are for the wars of great death they cause.
The few redeeming things about him was he work for the south and his incompentance of managing the Rebel government and war effort was one of the main reasons for their defeat.
He is not a victim of political correctness but a victim of being an unredeemed traitor.
This always fascinates me, 5Fish.
Davis, and Kaiser Bill (as my grand-daddy, who fought him, called him), and Hitler were evil, to you?
Yet, there's always this imperialist Yankee reverb about
how, if they HAD RUN COMPETENT EMPIRES, they would not have been defeated.
So, then, if any of them HAD WON, they would have deserved their governments, evil though you see them to be? (I know you don't voice that here, but many do! They go directly from saying how evil they were to giving Monday Morning advice about how they could have won! Like the yankee, in his 'backing into a championship' victory at Appomattox is the grand authority on HOW TO WIN!).
Rule #1. Be REAL NICE when you ask for the surrender. This is always a nice touch, and
adds to the moment, immeasurably. Offer to give the stolen food back, and promise not to publicly gloat. These things are always appreciated by 'the other side'.
Oh, and you guys did the RIGHT THING and tried and convicted Davis of Treason, and had him hanged in front of the capitol in Washington City, on the same gallows that Wirz was murdered on! Nice touch! I have all the photographs from that account!
Let's see. Those photographs... They are around here... somewhere... hmmmm.
As to the first shots of the war. I have just received a publication I will be sharing with you guys soon, from a first hand account:
(H.W. JOHNSTONE - The Truth of the War Conspiracy of 1861), which should put paid to WHO started the late conflict!
I'll look forward to sharing with you during story hour!
Beowulf
__________________ If the South accepted Sectional Left Wing Republican Rule, their property would be devalued, by being outlawed unconstitutionally in the territories, and suffer terrorism by Brown's mob ,... their economy would be in shambles... The effect is that the South is not any longer an equal part of the Union.
If the South tried to gain independence from these Left wing Republicans, the North will destroy them all... and curse their memory for all eternity....
I can't join this mild love fest for Jeff Davis for history gives this man a pass. He was the leader of a false cause that led to the death tens of thousands of Americans and he order the first shots of the war. He should be reviled the same way the Kaiser and Hitler are for the wars of great death they cause.
The few redeeming things about him was he work for the south and his incompentance of managing the Rebel government and war effort was one of the main reasons for their defeat.
He is not a victim of political correctness but a victim of being an unredeemed traitor.
Davis, in my opinion, deserves credit for being one of, if not the, best Secretaries of War in our country's history.
Now, I'm no defender of the confederacy by any stretch of the imagination, but I think we get problematical when we start reviling someone in Davis' position. He led a rebellion and committed treason against the US, but leading a rebellion and committing treason, and even ordering the start of a particular war, in and of themselves are not cause for reviling someone. After all, didn't Washington, John Adams, Sam Adams, Jefferson, Hamilton, et al lead a rebellion, commit treason against Great Britain, and precipitate a war? [especially Sam Adams in precipitating a war]. We revile Hitler not just for WW2 but mostly for the Holocaust that took place under his orders. Now, there are some wars of aggression for which I think one can be justly reviled, but I don't think the US Civil War falls into that category.
Davis, and Kaiser Bill (as my grand-daddy, who fought him, called him), and Hitler were evil, to you?
Yet, there's always this imperialist Yankee reverb about
how, if they HAD RUN COMPETENT EMPIRES, they would not have been defeated.
So, then, if any of them HAD WON, they would have deserved their governments, evil though you see them to be? (I know you don't voice that here, but many do! They go directly from saying how evil they were to giving Monday Morning advice about how they could have won! Like the yankee, in his 'backing into a championship' victory at Appomattox is the grand authority on HOW TO WIN!).
Rule #1. Be REAL NICE when you ask for the surrender. This is always a nice touch, and
adds to the moment, immeasurably. Offer to give the stolen food back, and promise not to publicly gloat. These things are always appreciated by 'the other side'.
Oh, and you guys did the RIGHT THING and tried and convicted Davis of Treason, and had him hanged in front of the capitol in Washington City, on the same gallows that Wirz was murdered on! Nice touch! I have all the photographs from that account!
Let's see. Those photographs... They are around here... somewhere... hmmmm.
As to the first shots of the war. I have just received a publication I will be sharing with you guys soon, from a first hand account:
(H.W. JOHNSTONE - The Truth of the War Conspiracy of 1861), which should put paid to WHO started the late conflict!
I'll look forward to sharing with you during story hour!
Beowulf
Beowulf:
You are simply incredible. The man makes a post, and then you attack him for making a statement which you then admit he didn't make!
It is always easy to win a debate when you are debating a straw man, since you create it yourself.
That being said, I honor Jefferson Davis. He was a traitor (yes, I know he was not convicted, but then neither was John Wilkes Booth). I have no doubt that if the government tried him he would have been convicted of treason, but there was no reason to have such a trial. He was, however, also a hero of the Mexican War, an able Secretary of War, and a man of his convictions - however wrong I believe those convictions to be. He was also, fortunately or unfortunately, a pretty poor president for the Confederacy and would have better served the cause as Secretary of War (or maybe even in the field, where he thought he would be).
__________________ "There must be more historians of the Civil War than there were generals figthing in it... Of the two groups, the historians are the more belligerent." David Donald, Lincoln Reconsidered (1961)
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