Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.
In any study of Civil War causes, there always seems to be this accompanying volatility which manifests among, of all people, the winners of that war. There is a definite discontent which manifests as either a diatribe on Slavery, as an art form, or else an unforgivable fury against Secession, itself. Given that one of these was Constitutionally-protected, and the other, Constitutionally
vague, is there an underlying reason for such hostilities
in the winning camp? And is there only one way to look at this situation, or can there be other explanations for the war which will not incur the wrath of the winning side?
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
Beowulf apparently, has not visited very many CW boards, or he would know that the rage of southernern 'Lost Cause' advocates knows no limit when their pet theories are demolished by most historical documentation and/or historical events.
Beowulf apparently, has not visited very many CW boards, or he would know that the rage of southernern 'Lost Cause' advocates knows no limit when their pet theories are demolished by most historical documentation and/or historical events.
Exactly, what does the way in which the Southern Lost Cause advocates feel about their pet theories....
... exactly, how does that influence the fury which came, and still comes, from the advocates of the solidarity and indivisibility of the "Union"?
Starting with, Secession, and say, General William Tecumseh Sherman, and working through history, this way...
and particularly with Sherman, we see a self-righteousness to his zeal, and character, and a deliberately
mortifying violence to his character.
... in all of this, the South was not recognized as being
viable nor legitimate in their complaints (which is pretty much why they seceded, truth be told)...
And Slavery, starting with the Abolitionists. They got nowhere while the North was involved in the practice... and only later, when the South left the safety of the Fugitive Slave Laws, and Lincoln's promises, and preferring Secession to protectionism for Slavery...
We still hear about this rage over Slavery. The South, instead of getting credit for stepping away from, and exposing the Institution to destruction, we hear about how they seceded to protect it, and promulgate it forever.
Clearly, it is not that cut and dried!
And since the Northern advocates have projected this aura of rage for the last 150 years, they get the victory, and still get to play the victim, at the same time!
So long as they keep up the rage.
Why this rage, originally? Is it genuine, or an affectation to
draw off sympathies for the decimated South?
Or, now, are you now implying that such a rage does not even exist, at all?
Beowulf, has mistaken, his own anger and sense of out rage for that of his opponents in discussing history.
It is a common trait of humans to resent being constantly corrected. Especially when they suspect they are in error and cannot adequately defend that error.
On most boards, Rage is mostly confined to southeron supporters of the 'Lost Cause' mythos especially when they find themselves unable to defend their views with logic, historical events, written records and scholarly research. They are the ones most likely to exhibit rage, rather than calmly researching one's basic beliefs and the actual Proofs from such a research to better defend it or discard it as untrue or unapplicable, in the light of that further study.
As I have said, the natural reaction of most people is to become angry when people do not think as you do rather than rethink what they assumed they knew. I am sorry Beowulf , but that applies more often among the Lost Causers than any other single group, on most CW Boards.
Beowulf, has mistaken, his own anger and sense of out rage for that of his opponents in discussing history.
It is a common trait of humans to resent being constantly corrected. Especially when they suspect they are in error and cannot adequately defend that error.
On most boards, Rage is mostly confined to southeron supporters of the 'Lost Cause' mythos especially when they find themselves unable to defend their views with logic, historical events, written records and scholarly research. They are the ones most likely to exhibit rage, rather than calmly researching one's basic beliefs and the actual Proofs from such a research to better defend it or discard it as untrue or unapplicable, in the light of that further study.
As I have said, the natural reaction of most people is to become angry when people do not think as you do rather than rethink what they assumed they knew. I am sorry Beowulf , but that applies more often among the Lost Causers than any other single group, on most CW Boards.
You may have done this elsewhere, but could you please list for me the texts which so soundly refute the general thinking of most of the reenactment community today?
(If the real Northerners know this, (those from the North, and who are not Southerners galvanized to the "Dark Side" for the weekend!) then they are very careful not to mention it in mixed company, and many hold to the "myths" which have been so "exposed" by your doctrines of exposure...).
What you preach herein is definite novelty to the standardized lessons which go out to the public, as spectators. Novelty, again, to both sides; North, and South.
Again, please, in the interest of the Third Line, and for posterity!
Beowulf; the original Lost Cause and I dare say it's modern proponents have one thing in common; a hatred of the United States and they have spent 150 doing their best to harm her.
They have proven for most of that 150 years that truth, honesty and integrity would be put aside for their campaign. They have and will utilize slander, libel, charachter assasination, threats and physical violence to attain their ends.
First I was a staunch supporter of the CS, then I was a supporter of the Lost Cause, then I learned to read.
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Beowulf; the original Lost Cause and I dare say it's modern proponents have one thing in common; a hatred of the United States and they have spent 150 doing their best to harm her.
They have proven for most of that 150 years that truth, honesty and integrity would be put aside for their campaign. They have and will utilize slander, libel, charachter assasination, threats and physical violence to attain their ends.
First I was a staunch supporter of the CS, then I was a supporter of the Lost Cause, then I learned to read.
Well, since you put it that way, I don't suppose you can classify me as a LOST CAUSER, then.
I have no hatred for the United States, and I would do none of the things you posit in order to gain any sort of
'fan club" for the Confederacy! I don't know of any pro-Confederate Southerners who adhere to those ideologies, either. I have yet to meet a white supremist in any of my travels on the reenacting circuit. (In truth, the Yankees and the Confederates, as groups, get along better than the Confederates or the Yankees do, amongst themselves).
I don't know of anyone who would take any harsher stance today than actually voting for Ron Paul, or Mike Huckabee.
And yet...
And yet. I do hope that, when you supported the Confederate South, you, yourself did not adhere to any of the principles you listed in the first two paragraphs!
You see, we all believe in God, and an afterlife, and that one day, we shall all appear with our true Confederate
heroes, before our God, and our risen Saviour, and
will have to answer to a much higher power than popular public opinion, the Liberal party, or anyone else down here at present...
That sort of keeps us in line, you see. More than any government ever could...
And we do hope to see you, and much of mankind, whatever their conflicts and beliefs, on that wonderful day, when we shall all find peace which passes all understanding....
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